Justice!!!!!

[yeloocproducer]

Oh yeah the other thing you can do is take mono synths and pitch shift them 15 cents up or down and hard pan the pitched version. I know the Neptunes are big fans of this... makes things wide without smearing the timing. Also, when you bring up your delay if you do it that way, you have to make it a few db louder than the original to balance them b/c of a psychoacoustic effect... your ears just automatically think the delay is quieter b/c it's later.. hard to explain...

I almost *always* mono out stereo synths/ pads before I mix and apply something to make them stereo again. The stereo fx in keyboards are usually pretty lame. Not always but usually.

Be careful with throwing things out of phase below around 300hz... you'll start to make needles jump out of their groove once you press vinyl up, and you'll lose a lot of punch in mono. Try to keep bass frequencies centered for the most part. Same for snares.

[Methlab]

thanks man..awesome, Im going to mess with this on my synths and samples.

[Sofine]

Originally Posted by yeloocproducer

Oh yeah the other thing you can do is take mono synths and pitch shift them 15 cents up or down and hard pan the pitched version. I know the Neptunes are big fans of this... makes things wide without smearing the timing. Also, when you bring up your delay if you do it that way, you have to make it a few db louder than the original to balance them b/c of a psychoacoustic effect... your ears just automatically think the delay is quieter b/c it's later.. hard to explain...

I almost *always* mono out stereo synths/ pads before I mix and apply something to make them stereo again. The stereo fx in keyboards are usually pretty lame. Not always but usually.

Be careful with throwing things out of phase below around 300hz... you'll start to make needles jump out of their groove once you press vinyl up, and you'll lose a lot of punch in mono. Try to keep bass frequencies centered for the most part. Same for snares.

Yeah, great ideas and advice. Thanks for sharing.

[Shabo]

Love the Cross album!!!! its daft punk but relentless !!! I think the hearing fatigue comes from there intense use of slicing synths ...very obnoxious synths!! Great album!!

[Dopamine]

Anyone know what soft synths they are using for their leads (the 1st and last tracks for example)?

I know the Remix article said they use Cubase and Garage Band, but i am very curious as to more details.

[Methlab]

I am willing to bet they make their own sounds. Like for example, if you load a basic Saw wav into an a couple Oscillators in Massive and detune each, you can bounce that down and resample it into Kontakt. Then split it up and treat the highs and lows different. I do this kind of stuff now all the time, and there are no presets or rules. You can make crazy sounds that are 100% unique.

I would definitley say that they are using detuned saws and heaps of distortion. Probably an LFO filter mod. It's almost a complete waste of time to even look at presets if you are interested in making the sounds these guys are doing. They are way past that for probably 90% of the sounds on that record.

[Dopamine]

True..... but they have to use something as a starting point. I'm looking to get a new softsynth for my Macbook and would be interested in what they prefer.

[Methlab]

Many times a starting point is a sample of an everyday sound miced up. In Justice's case. I am GUESSING that you could use NI Massive as a nice starting point. That is one hell of a dance synth. You could also take a crack at it with Disco DSP. Both have sick saw sounds.

[crufty]

The garage band insts + Logic insts fed through outboard or various fx plugins can produce some pretty nasty sounds.

For example, take a standard tb-303 bass sample and/or patch and feed it through a even primitve distortion, ring mod to taste and while not exact you get a close sound. dump that into sampler and tweak for movement and you get unique sound. Try mixing that sound w/voice via vocoder for tonal control and then slam into a (here comes the slutty gas) vulture culture not sure what the result would be, as I don't have a vulture culture, but i'd love to know.

[modistylee]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Love the pic. Especially when you consider that they are probably watching their macbooks and making sure that Reason doesn't freeze up!

Haha, awesome. This cracked me up.
A modular synth should never be used as a prop tutt.

I too am not totally feeling Justice. I mean the ideas and the production is good, but there arrangment and mixing isn't so hot IMOP. And I also keep wanting to turn it down, as its totally fatiguing. The phase tricks are cool though.

I also don't particularly feel the whole hipster dance scene. Cliche, cheezy and annoying are all adjectives that come to mind.

And Maks, Studio B is in Greenpoint, not Williamsburg.

[Reptil]

[crufty]

justice gets props in my book for looking like they are on more drugs then their audience

[everythingsablur]

Hi guys, any idea what Justice use? I heard they use Steinberg Cubase plug-ins... not sure what softsynths though.

Cheers!

[Methlab]

Probably Massive. In fact, I would just use Massive because if you know what you are doing you can design the same type of heavy sounds they use quite easy. Its just picking 2 or 3 oscillators and detuning, using your ear, then resampling the sound.

It's wierd, when I first got the Justice album I liked it a lot...now I can barely stand to listen to it. I guess I just find the whole "im a hipster making electro" thing really tired.

[jimdon]

ive never understood that album,
much prefer the digitalism's idealism

[Methlab]

Originally Posted by jimdon

ive never understood that album,
much prefer the digitalism's idealism

Digitalism is definitley better. I like that album a lot myself.

[everythingsablur]

Originally Posted by Methlab

Probably Massive. In fact, I would just use Massive because if you know what you are doing you can design the same type of heavy sounds they use quite easy. Its just picking 2 or 3 oscillators and detuning, using your ear, then resampling the sound.

It's wierd, when I first got the Justice album I liked it a lot...now I can barely stand to listen to it. I guess I just find the whole "im a hipster making electro" thing really tired.

Sure thing I'll check it out... but what do you mean by resampling the sound?

[sbtst6]

Hello,

Was wondering if there is any sample CDs or better yet, plugins that Have the Slap Bass that Justice is using on there LP Cross...

I was checking out the LP, and I noticed that it seems to be the same slap bass in the songs they have. Plus I also read somewhere that they use Cubase Sample CDs to produce the LP(didnt know steinberg had such CDs)... Definitely put in some work on Micro Editing the obvious samples.. But the Slap Bass, if it is Sample CDs, is pretty Good!

Examples:

YouTube - Justice - D.A.N.C.E (Version Finale)
YouTube - Justice-Phantom Part 1
YouTube - Justice-Genesis

Any Help would be greatly Appreicated!!

[Silas Holmes]

From the way it sounds it could very well be a slap bass sound
out of Cubase or any other Rompler, Fantom, Motif, etc.

I would rather like to know what kind of Synthesizers they are
using.

[Methlab]

I think one of the guys in the group plays bass. Pay me and I'll track some for you on my Jazz bass .

[alexp]

With a name like methlab, I bet people pay you a lot for something else! :P


That could be a standard GM slap bass sound. Easy to find, and no need to pay anyone for it.


Alex

[Methlab]

Originally Posted by alexp

With a name like methlab, I bet people pay you a lot for something else! :P


That could be a standard GM slap bass sound. Easy to find, and no need to pay anyone for it.


Alex

Lol..believe it or not I made my money as a bassplayer not a dealer. And IMO, there is no "standard" slap bass sound. There is slap bass played by people with soul and feel and then sterile shit that sucks. That justice bass has nice feel to it.

[sbtst6]

Originally Posted by Silas Holmes

From the way it sounds it could very well be a slap bass sound
out of Cubase or any other Rompler, Fantom, Motif, etc.

I would rather like to know what kind of Synthesizers they are
using.

I think there was mention of a linplug delta and Juno 106. I have a juno for a few months, but been trying to sync it to a sequencer i have yet to figure out..Keep getting problems with just sequencing a simple bass line with the rest of the track! As for now, been using it with out midi, just playing it live!

[ROTM]

Originally Posted by Silas Holmes

From the way it sounds it could very well be a slap bass sound
out of Cubase or any other Rompler, Fantom, Motif, etc.

I would rather like to know what kind of Synthesizers they are
using.

I'dont actually know what they used but I think mostly their album was made ALL up from a Kaoss PAD 2.
The fuzz, the tempo slicer and the LPF sounds quite obvious to me.

[sbtst6]

Originally Posted by ROTM

I'dont actually know what they used but I think mostly their album was made ALL up from a Kaoss PAD 2.
The fuzz, the tempo slicer and the LPF sounds quite obvious to me.

U think it is a Kaoss PAD2? Another note, I keep hearing about Microsampling and Microediting with these guys..Is this like a glitch or idm type of technic they are using on there samples..

[LuckyFelix]

I'm really interested in this sound as well.

Listening to the sample, whats up with that synth?!

[bleepbleep]

sounds like two different synths playing a 'call and response' riff

1 - first one is a saw tooth based synth with a bit of FM and distortion, then side chain compress it to a 4/4 kick - there's enough articles on that

2 - the wobbly sound - is a bit of LFO modulating the pitch - EZ

there's no 'glitches' in this music -

[sergioelectro]

What vst distortion plug would you advise to get the same kind of sound they got ?

thanks

[danasti]

Did you mix his albums on Spectral Sound "Luck Leave it to Heaven", 2003? Or "Backstroke", 2004? What about the singles on Spectral?

Some brilliant stuff there for sure! Good Job! Did you do anything differently in the mix for the vinyl releases or were they the same as the CD?

I've seen him play a couple of times in the last few months. I think he's living here in NYC now...

Originally Posted by yeloocproducer

I actually... err *cough*... mixed most of that MD stuff- he's super talented. Sonically, the intention was "Squishy" in the drums/mixbuss per his request as well... actually ended up sidechaining the STC to react off the kick even more than normal, similar to the justice stuff. I tried to talk them out of as much L2 as I could.

Glad you guys are enjoying the record. I really liked the way he blended in "musical" indie rock/ prince/ etc. into the techno vibe... his own thing really.

[triez]

Originally Posted by richardswag

I found it initially very exciting, but after a while it's just incredibly fatiguing to listen to. After about a minute I just want to turn it down, and then off...

I want music that makes me want to turn it up, not down.

Maybe I'm just getting old.


PS. To the OP - if you can show me any of this month's magazines that *doesn't* have them in I'd love to know which ones they are (even my regular "Bus Ticket Collector and Ferret-Botherer" had an article on their use of Garageband and cheap plug-ins this month )

Couldn't agree more, very fatiguing to listen to, but all credit to them, it is sonically very skillful.