Justice!!!!!

[rlsoundsystem]

the justice stuff i've heard just sounds heavily distorted and gated.

they are in the new remix mag but don't get into technique.

one thing i tried that worked to get this sound is to run my drums thru my moog. put it on a crazy setting and mess with the envelopes and filter until it crunches.

[largeunit]

They use Cubase and Garageband.

Remix Interview with Justice | French electronic duo Justice on recording its debut album | Justice talks about using microsamples, GarageBand and Cubase SX sound libraries while recording their electronic album

[richardswag]

Originally Posted by Pollyrythm

Yeh but its Windows only :( im on OSX

Glitch was one of the main reasons I installed BootCamp on my MacBook!

[crufty]

I hear a lot of distortion / amp modelling / maybe some ring mod??

I suspect that glitching is good old fashion elbow grease. Just try copying pasting selections!

[naughto]

hey all, heard this noise in a few justice songs as well as in sebastiAns new one, theres a sample of it below - its the sound that glitchs.. i have no idea how to get it, but all i could think of is that its from HEAVY side chain compression (justice use cubase apparently so maybe they just put it all though a group channel and compress the hell out of it??) anyone got any cool ideas or more ways to get that sick sound besides distortion..
cheers

sample: http://www.zshare.net/audio/4503082b430f2f/

[rawdigits]

Hi

I have no spakers on my laptop but for these kind of questions you're better of asking @

KVR: Forum Index



There are a few threads about sebastian and his work..you will find the best response there.


For production techniques of electronic music..this forum is the way to go..




Greets




Christian

[Dopamine]

I just got the Cross cd. All I can say is WOW!

I feel like Dance/Electronica has stagnated since the 90's, with very little true innovation. In other words, when I listen to a song, it's pretty easy for me to guess where it's going. Built-ups, breakdowns, fills, etc. The synths and drums are all very homogenous as well.

Then I put on this cd. WOW.

If anyone can point me to any articles or info about these guys that would be great. I'm actually inspired to create some new electronic music!

[morebutter]

I like it but when you think about it, its just dirty distortion and compression effects right?

[Dopamine]

Thanks for the link!

<< I like it but when you think about it, its just dirty distortion and compression effects right? >>

I hear unusual synth and _melodies_. Samples disguised and used in a way that is much more interesting than, say, Daft Punk. Lack of emphasis on percussion/hats,etc. Atypical arrangements especially with the absence of the typical builds and fills.

The progression as an album (versus a collection of singles) is also great.

[richardswag]

I found it initially very exciting, but after a while it's just incredibly fatiguing to listen to. After about a minute I just want to turn it down, and then off...

I want music that makes me want to turn it up, not down.

Maybe I'm just getting old.


PS. To the OP - if you can show me any of this month's magazines that *doesn't* have them in I'd love to know which ones they are (even my regular "Bus Ticket Collector and Ferret-Botherer" had an article on their use of Garageband and cheap plug-ins this month )

[JSt0rm]

i havent listened but the way you describe is like how underground techno has sounded since like 2001 with some over lap. Probably starting with acufen in like 2000 or so. I will take a listen though as you have gotten me interested if this is something really new. I never considered daft punk to be ground breaking but what do i know.

[ignatius]

Originally Posted by Dopamine

I feel like Dance/Electronica has stagnated since the 90's, with very little true innovation. In other words, when I listen to a song, it's pretty easy for me to guess where it's going. Built-ups, breakdowns, fills, etc. The synths and drums are all very homogenous as well.

i wonder what you've been listening to. there's lot's of stuff out there that, to my ears, is just great and unexpected. plenty of stuff out in recent years that is still on the edge. funckarma (and all their aliases like 'mystery artist' on skam), deru, ben milstein, autechre, squarepusher, chris clark, matmos,
the wee DJ's, richard devine, einoma, scorn, etc etc, etc. you have to dig to find the good stuff but it's out there.

[Dopamine]

<< found it initially very exciting, but after a while it's just incredibly fatiguing to listen to. After about a minute I just want to turn it down, and then off... >>

Hmmm, I've only listened to it 3 times. I can see what you mean though. Maybe I got to excited.

<< PS. To the OP - if you can show me any of this month's magazines that *doesn't* have them in I'd love to know which ones they are >>

Well, I subscribe to Keyboard, EQ, Mix & Rolling Stone. I don't recall any articles, though perhaps I should go back and check.

<< I wonder what you've been listening to. there's lot's of stuff out there that, to my ears, is just great and unexpected. funckarma (and all their aliases like 'mystery artist' on skam), deru, ben milstein, autechre, squarepusher, chris clark, matmos,
the wee DJ's, richard devine, einoma, scorn >>

I've heard most of those artists, yet nothing has captivated me like this release. Rarely can I listen to a cd all the way thru. Many of the artists you mentioned are overly glitchy, too programmed, too "intelligent" or not musical enough for my taste.

[yeloocproducer]

This record is groundbreaking in a way that feels like your head being bashed against a brick wall (L2) over and over again. I understand why kids like it. It's not "good for you" music. Not your dad's daft punk.

Lots of 180 degree out of phase stereo tricks here too, and some serious Daft Punk 3630/ behringer side chained mixbuss/ drumbuss compression going on as well. Super squishy with the whole mix being sucked down by the kick, and then slammed through like 2 L2s or something. No wonder it's fatiguing. But hey, Captain Crunch shreds the roof of your mouth and gives you cavities, too... so what can you do. I listened to it once and thought it was a cool statement... but I won't be listening again.

[Dopamine]

I guess I am commenting more on the writing and arrangements than the mix.

[crufty]

somewhat O/T...for the curious, check out the ed bangerz vol 2 promo cd. not that the cd is particularly wonderful, there are some nice tunes, but each song (by different artists) has a similar quality--in particular the kick / snare ( thump -x-PSSHh -x- thump -x- PSSHh).

My take w/justice is it's a frat party cd...not so much a listen cd. Throw it down in the stereo, invite some friends over, turn it up and booze it up. Whereas juno reactor is a little too heavy for the party scene, but does quite well in the drive to work scenario. my 2 cents..

Or, in other words, one could listen to the 23 minute version of inna-gadda-deveda sober, but why?

[maks]

check out Matthew Dears' ASA breed 'album.

[theque]

Originally Posted by Dopamine

I just got the Cross cd. All I can say is WOW!

I feel like Dance/Electronica has stagnated since the 90's, with very little true innovation. In other words, when I listen to a song, it's pretty easy for me to guess where it's going. Built-ups, breakdowns, fills, etc. The synths and drums are all very homogenous as well.

Then I put on this cd. WOW.

couldnt agree with you more, i was getting rather bored with techno but this album is amazing, really inspiring.

[rawdigits]

Matthew Dear

I am spinning his vinyls everytime I stand behind the decks.

[yeloocproducer]

I actually... err *cough*... mixed most of that MD stuff- he's super talented. Sonically, the intention was "Squishy" in the drums/mixbuss per his request as well... actually ended up sidechaining the STC to react off the kick even more than normal, similar to the justice stuff. I tried to talk them out of as much L2 as I could.

Glad you guys are enjoying the record. I really liked the way he blended in "musical" indie rock/ prince/ etc. into the techno vibe... his own thing really.

[rawdigits]

Originally Posted by yeloocproducer

I actually... err *cough*... mixed most of that MD stuff- he's super talented. Sonically, the intention was "Squishy" in the drums/mixbuss per his request as well... actually ended up sidechaining the STC to react off the kick even more than normal, similar to the justice stuff. I tried to talk them out of as much L2 as I could.

Glad you guys are enjoying the record. I really liked the way he blended in "musical" indie rock/ prince/ etc. into the techno vibe... his own thing really.

Awesome!

Did you also do the audion stuff? Cause this stuff seems rather raw..no lowcut filters n' stuff


Spill the beans



Greets


Christian

[b_karv]

Originally Posted by yeloocproducer

Lots of 180 degree out of phase stereo tricks here too.

Could anyone elaborate on this?

Cheers,

Karv

[yeloocproducer]

The 180 stereo thing is just heavy use of artificial wideners and really short delays (below 20 ms or so) that are panned opposite the source. These techniques introduce all sort of out-of-phase (180 out) information. The end effect is an "upside down" feeling stereo field, like your head is inside a fishbowl. Sort of like wiring one stereo speaker out of phase, and then using that concept in a mix. They've got that effect more on the synths and pads so that the mix doesn't completely collapse in mono, but it's a really heavy dose of it on some tracks. Like "wrong" mixing style

Didn't work on any of the audion stuff... need to check it out actually... back to justice (sorry for hijacking)

[yeloocproducer]

back on topic... yeah they stole their whole shtick from Metallica... the amps, the look, the cross (same as "and justice for all")

[dubnspace]

Originally Posted by yeloocproducer

back on topic... yeah they stole their whole shtick from Metallica... the amps, the look, the cross (same as "and justice for all")

and they close the show with their remix of "Master Of Puppets"

[maks]

sorry to highjack, but if anyone is in NYC tonight(31st) MD together with DFA guys are playing studioB in Williamsburg

PS . Dave? brilliant work! the best example of a crossover record to date while staying truly original in my opinion.

[Methlab]

Originally Posted by yeloocproducer

The 180 stereo thing is just heavy use of artificial wideners and really short delays (below 20 ms or so) that are panned opposite the source. These techniques introduce all sort of out-of-phase (180 out) information. The end effect is an "upside down" feeling stereo field, like your head is inside a fishbowl. Sort of like wiring one stereo speaker out of phase, and then using that concept in a mix. They've got that effect more on the synths and pads so that the mix doesn't completely collapse in mono, but it's a really heavy dose of it on some tracks. Like "wrong" mixing style

Didn't work on any of the audion stuff... need to check it out actually... back to justice (sorry for hijacking)

I love the Justice record. I am a big fan of this type of House because it is very creative compared to the Trance that sounds like a guy one fingering Vengeance arps.

I wanted to get into a little more detail because the whole 180 stereo thing is killer.

I always have a stereo delay set to around 18ms on a buss. On the chain is some rolled off EQ then the delay and followed by an s1. I bus elements of the mix to this. It sounds like what you are describing could take this concept a step further. For the technique you are decribing do you use a mono delay? Are the Synths bounced to mono files too? Or are you keeping everything stereo but maybe tilting the S1 (or whatever widener) to one side?

[maks]

I am a big fan of this type of House because it is very creative compared to the Trance that sounds like a guy one fingering Vengeance arps.

[Jazzpunk]

Love the pic. Especially when you consider that they are probably watching their macbooks and making sure that Reason doesn't freeze up!

[yeloocproducer]

Yeah sometimes just throwing a super short mono delay panned hard right no regen, source hard left is enough to get things going. Comb filtering, widening, etc. The DUY WIDE plug is good for that also... I think there are some VSTs that do it as well. Sometimes those plugs are adding distortion to the (S) element in an MS matrix to make the sides pop out of phase more as well, sound wider. Tchad Blake was into the hughes stereo widening box, etc. There's a lot of ways to do it.

I didn't know they did a metallica cover... I guess that pretty much cinches it! They *are* really cool, I just can't handle the mastering...