Justice!!!!!

[d1rtynyc]

Wow!
There seems to be a lot of energy spent (wasted?) on these guys.
I am not certain what about these guys inspires so much hype & hate.
I just wish there was this much discussion on other artists that deserve it more.

[e6400ultra]

Originally Posted by d1rtynyc

Wow!
There seems to be a lot of energy spent (wasted?) on these guys.
I am not certain what about these guys inspires so much hype & hate.
I just wish there was this much discussion on other artists that deserve it more.

I don't actually hate them as people, I just think their music is crap. Unfortunately, I'm subjected to their music by my girlfriend.

...Did I mention Orbital is the canine's privates?

[audiovisceral]

Originally Posted by d1rtynyc

Wow!

I am not certain what about these guys inspires so much hype & hate.

i think you sort of answered your own question regarding the hate:

Originally Posted by d1rtynyc

There seems to be a lot of energy spent (wasted?) on these guys.

I just wish there was this much discussion on other artists that deserve it more.

personally, i don't hate them at all. i think most people just feel the same as you.

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by d1rtynyc

Wow!
There seems to be a lot of energy spent (wasted?) on these guys.
I am not certain what about these guys inspires so much hype & hate.
I just wish there was this much discussion on other artists that deserve it more.

Ask Alex P, he should be able to answer that one directly. Hell, you could start a thread on power conditioners and I bet he'd be able to turn it into a discussion about how much Justice sucks!

[dlmorley]

Homophobic I ain't but "Laptopanddrumpadcalledlivemusicophobic" I am!

[alexp]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Ask Alex P, he should be able to answer that one directly. Hell, you could start a thread on power conditioners and I bet he'd be able to turn it into a discussion about how much Justice sucks!

:P lol Jazz!!!!

Their rig doesnt run on power. It runs on the choking air of thievery!!!



For the record. Justice is using other peoples songs to make money. They are sampling other peoples songs the way a certain "other" people did 10 or so years ago. It was fresh, and fun the first time around. I think Justice is nothing more than trying to capitalize on something that was cool and fresh ten years ago, and in doing so, have made them look like a bunch of rip off artists. Add to that certain photos that reveal their live shows are anything but, and a bunch of cute little fanboys who will die defending the band, and your left with something thats so funny, you cant not make fun of it. For those people saying Justice is the be all and end all of electronic music, I dont even know what to say. These people are so closed minded to reality, that they go out of their way to let other people know if they dont like Justice, they suck. When called on anything negative about the band, they pass off a rather hilarious generic phrase which goes something like "If you think you can do better, do it" or "How can you be hatin when your stuff isnt half as popular as theirs". I think what these fanboys fail to understand is that they are the gears in a very large machine that most of us want no part of. If they want to believe that they are that great and fantastic, so be it! These are the same people that, a year or so from now, will be ripping us all apart about another band that fakes their entire careers for the sake of making a few dollars, while the rest of us soldier on in our desired fields for the sake of longevity, finding a style or sound and developing it over a decade or two, and being rather behind the scenes people dedicated to a craft that is long extinct. I know what I would much rather be doing.


alexP

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by alexp

:P lol Jazz!!!!

Their rig doesnt run on power. It runs on the choking air of thievery!!!

LMAO!

[thehuman]

Originally Posted by alexp

I think what these fanboys fail to understand is that they are the gears in a very large machine that most of us want no part of.

alexP

Well said. It's amazing how many people can't grasp that concept.

[e6400ultra]

Originally Posted by alexp

:P lol Jazz!!!!

Their rig doesnt run on power. It runs on the choking air of thievery!!!



For the record. Justice is using other peoples songs to make money. They are sampling other peoples songs the way a certain "other" people did 10 or so years ago. It was fresh, and fun the first time around. I think Justice is nothing more than trying to capitalize on something that was cool and fresh ten years ago, and in doing so, have made them look like a bunch of rip off artists. Add to that certain photos that reveal their live shows are anything but, and a bunch of cute little fanboys who will die defending the band, and your left with something thats so funny, you cant not make fun of it. For those people saying Justice is the be all and end all of electronic music, I dont even know what to say. These people are so closed minded to reality, that they go out of their way to let other people know if they dont like Justice, they suck. When called on anything negative about the band, they pass off a rather hilarious generic phrase which goes something like "If you think you can do better, do it" or "How can you be hatin when your stuff isnt half as popular as theirs". I think what these fanboys fail to understand is that they are the gears in a very large machine that most of us want no part of. If they want to believe that they are that great and fantastic, so be it! These are the same people that, a year or so from now, will be ripping us all apart about another band that fakes their entire careers for the sake of making a few dollars, while the rest of us soldier on in our desired fields for the sake of longevity, finding a style or sound and developing it over a decade or two, and being rather behind the scenes people dedicated to a craft that is long extinct. I know what I would much rather be doing.


alexP

Well put.

[crufty]

well, in contrast to all the haters, if anyone wants to pay me thousands of dollars to fiddle w/gear that is unplugged, my calendar is open.

i don't see what the big deal is. authenticity of live music really only matters in vocal heavy (country, heavy metal, r&b) and classical music.

I was recently coerced into going to a coldplay concert. I thought it was amazing. What was amazing is that coldplay was able to perform in front of a packed house of dead behind the eyes fair weather fans. I myself am not a fan per se--nothing against coldplay, but its just not my cup of tea--but if the front 5 rows were sitting down at my concert videotaping me on their cellphone, i would have whipped out my wang and urinated on them. I'm not sure how the guitar players didn't descend into the mummified crowd of $100 t-shirt yuppies and started swinging their guitars two handed brave-heart battle axe style in an attempt to breathe life into a crowd that was there to say they went, not to watch the show. I myself was nearly tossed out on account of standing up when the people behind me complained to the usher. If I wasn't with gentler company then my own, it would have been worth it.

So, I find I have more contempt for audiences these days then performers.

Justice, in contrast, has die hard fans. you can't argue with sales--that is scoreboard. Fake or not, who cares. rock on! Thats why I like going to metal concerts. the fans are always hardcore and really into every song. If justice is the same way then more power to them. If they can inspire tweaked out kids to jam out, sample their own sampled songs then in some small way the twisted traditions of electronic music are carried on.

I'm too old to go to a justice concert anyway.

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by crufty

Justice, in contrast, has die hard fans. you can't argue with sales--that is scoreboard.

If record and concert ticket sales are the true 'scoreboard' doesn't that completely destroy your entire 'Justice fans are more die hard than Coldplay fans' theory?!

[crufty]

yeah yeah

sales = die hard fans% + few album folks, w/repeated listening% + one album occasional listening%

my observation was more that a crappy audience makes a crappier concert more then the nature of the live act (outside of those genres) given good sound/stage/lights etc.

another conclusion may be that justice fans are more rabid the coldplay fans.

I have never been to a justice concert so I can't really say. I've heard it is bumping, but I have also seen coldplay clips were the crowd was into it too.

who is to say? If the coldplay audience was passionate about coldplay you wouldn't have known it. Again, they were pros and played thru it. Perhaps its the fate of the pop mainstream...

underground: die hard fans% > one album occasional listening%
mainstream: one album occasional listening% > die hard fans%

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by crufty

who is to say? If the coldplay audience was passionate about coldplay you wouldn't have known it. Again, they were pros and played thru it. Perhaps its the fate of the pop mainstream...

Is it possible you were a little out of your element at the Coldplay show? I'm not that familiar with their catalog but the songs I've heard were pretty damn mellow. I wouldn't really imagine that I'd be moshing or dropping E and dancing my ass off at one of their shows.

[alexp]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Is it possible you were a little out of your element at the Coldplay show? I'm not that familiar with their catalog but the songs I've heard were pretty damn mellow. I wouldn't really imagine that I'd be moshing or dropping E and dancing my ass off at one of their shows.

Although if you did that would be absolutely fantastical.


alexP

[linndrum9000]

JUSTICE RULES!!!! Now somebody type 3 paragraphs explaining why they suck while I make music.

[Brian!]

Originally Posted by alexp

I think what these fanboys fail to understand is that they are the gears in a very large machine that most of us want no part of.

Originally Posted by thehuman

Well said. It's amazing how many people can't grasp that concept.

So why worry about it so much and post so much about it?

[Johnny Wrong]

Coldplay's music was once described as "Music for bedwetters" and I agreed.

As far as I can tell, Justice makes "Music for bedshitters"

But then again, maybe I'm getting old.............

[alexp]

Originally Posted by Brian!

So why worry about it so much and post so much about it?

Because you cant grasp that concept.


alexP

[MonoBrow]

lol

[crufty]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Is it possible you were a little out of your element at the Coldplay show?

I've been to fair number of shows. Maybe its just me, but I feel if you are sitting in the front row you need to give the band some energy to feed off of. If you just sit there staring at your iphone for 3 hrs what makes the event special? I'm not stating that there is a right way or a wrong way to attend concerts.

To coldplay's credit, they came off the main stage out into the crowd, where people DID respond as I would expect. This one girl got the lead singers towel and looked like she was going to pass out. Clapping and dancing etc. I don't blame coldplay (for the record).

Anyway, this thread isn't about my experience at a coldplay concert. I'm just saying I think how the audience acts is really a defining part of a concert, not so much what happens on stage. Obviously, some genres of concerts have higher demands on the stage show/musicians but at the end of the day, if Justice rocked the house, even if their usb gear was unplugged (how does that happen? Justice should be pissed if anything) and the audience had a good time, hasn't the objective been meant?

Don't get me wrong I prefer 'live live' acts over scripted midi replays. Just saying though if its fun...its fun, no?

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by Johnny Wrong

Coldplay's music was once described as "Music for bedwetters" and I agreed.

As far as I can tell, Justice makes "Music for bedshitters"

But then again, maybe I'm getting old.............

If I was half as successful as either group I would care less what other people said about me.

But then again, maybe I'm not getting old enough!

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by audiovisceral

i used to disrespect sampling in general til i saw this:
YouTube - Discovered - Make "One More Time" from "More Spell On You"

just blows my mind. who would have thought to chop the original like that? i think it was brilliant.

sampling can truly be a creative art. sometimes.

Really? No disrespect, but that's sampling. You go through record bins, find hits, lines, drums, riffs... that's what some artists do.

I thik the real praise should go to the artists who made that possible.

That said, I do respect sampled music as an art... mostly when the sample is used in a truly creative way to make a new piece of music that moves me in a different way than the original would have... so no, not talking P-Diddy sampling "Every Breathe You Take" and blabbering al over it... or Zepplin... or or or...


-Andrews

[pr0gr4m]

I wanna play

Originally Posted by crufty

I'm just saying I think how the audience acts is really a defining part of a concert, not so much what happens on stage.

True that...That Milli Vanilli concert was totally kick ass. That band is AWSOME!

[robd]

Wow, I must be out of it. I've never heard of Justice outside the context of people bitching about them on this forum, so I just went to their myspace page and checked their stuff out.
I'm pretty much with the folks who say it's a lame rehash of Daft Punk. Daft punk actually managed to make the pumping uber compressed sound sound pretty rocking, but Justice doesn't seem to be able to pull it off very well. Also, I don't recognize any of their samples, but, if they are sampling old songs, their taste in choosing songs to sample isn't nearly as good as DP's. That said, I don't really think their stuff is any worse than anything else that's getting played in big clubs these days.
I do have to say, however, that them making such a big thing out of being Christians means that I really can't think of them as anything other than an electronic version of Faith+1.

[chrisso]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

I do respect sampled music as an art... mostly when the sample is used in a truly creative way to make a new piece of music that moves me in a different way than the original would have... so no, not talking P-Diddy sampling "Every Breathe You Take" and blabbering al over it... or Zepplin... or or or...

My thoughts entirely.

[contramark]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

I love the first guy's quote! (I hope he was kidding)

If not... amazing how clueless people are and the "You're a hater" clichéd defense is comical.

I'm cool with sampling and I give most electronica its due, no problem giving respect and saying so... funny how this "Justice" thing has caused a stir. Odd in fact.

I just find them to be the prime example of lazy crank-out mentality that really gives the genre a bad name.

-andrews

I don't understand how you can say they are lazy?! Their newest album probably contains over 2000-3000 samples and micro-samples all meticulously selected from their years of experiences as music listeners/djs and placed in the most interesting of ways for your listening enjoyment. How is that lazy?

I think bands like 'U2' and the sorts which make cookie cutter rock pop songs is lazy. Not trying to dis U2, but i just disagree that what they are doing is far from easy.

[contramark]

Anyways in response to the original post:
maybe these could help,

1. Use alot of disco micro-samples
2. distort everything
3. try to side-chain certain instruments
4. HighPass your Bass sound
5. i think a critical part of their sound is the mastering; not sure how they do it but maybe try adding sub-harmonics (dbx-120), then crush the hell out of it, but create energy(maybe API 2500 followed by TC FInalizer?)

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by contramark

I don't understand how you can say they are lazy?! Their newest album probably contains over 2000-3000 samples and micro-samples all meticulously selected from their years of experiences as music listeners/djs and placed in the most interesting of ways for your listening enjoyment. How is that lazy?

I think bands like 'U2' and the sorts which make cookie cutter rock pop songs is lazy. Not trying to dis U2, but i just disagree that what they are doing is far from easy.

The "lazy" portion was in comment to not bothering to plug in your one keyboard on your "live" performance.

Press "play" on your CD and take the $25 per ticket (conservative) from every kid.

Pretty lazy. Don't ya think?

-a

[Johnny Wrong]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

If I was half as successful as either group I would care less what other people said about me.

But then again, maybe I'm not getting old enough!

Do you know what coke bum is?

[Jamzone]

Originally Posted by Dirty Halo

Now, if someone would just "sample" an entire Justice track and call it their own, play it back with one finger held down for 3:30... NOW WE'RE TALKING!


-Andrews

Why hold down a finger??