roland vintage drum machine sample sets (707 808 909 etc)

[messiahwannabe]

hi guys!

another question for you: who does the BEST roland vintage drum machine sample cd's? everyone sells them, but who's got the best sounding version?

to be more specific, i'm looking for raw, unprocessed samples, 48k rather than 41. it would be cool if they had multiple samples of the various instruments at different settings (changes in pitch, click, tone, bend etc done natively on the machine itself) so i dont have to **** with the original sound too much in the digital realm - ideally i'd occasionally like to take the original sample itself and paste/import it into protools directly so as to have the cleanest, least-colored sound possible, especially for kicks, claps and snares... it's nice if it's clearly structured, set up into patches etc, but i'd take all of them as .wav files in a single folder if they're the best sounding...

i dont mind if there are other vintage drum machines included, but i don't want to be digging through 27 folders of "PHAT URBAN HIT #483" crap to get to a single folder of 808's and 909's - i really just want the full range of all the roland line more than anything, preferably including *all* of em - 505 606 707 808 909 626 boss dr rhythm etc etc other classic drum machines would be a bonus but what i'm really after is the best possible versions of the roland gear...

i've been looking at these sites:


http://www.modernbeats.com/soundsets.php

http://www.audiopervert.com/detail-roland.htm


but i have no idea which if any are really that good... someone recommended the modernbeats set on a similar thread (yes i've made an effort to rtff) but the technical info on their site is very sparse.

if you're selling your own product (i've seen several gearheads on here who are) i'm interested to hear, but you'd have to tell me a bit about your technical specs and so on.


thanks guys!

[sexxy]

verry hard to find,

most samples ive heard, wizoo for akai, zero-g nostalgia, sound like crap = lower quality than free rebirth 338 v2.01 samples
The ReBirth Museum

i have downloaded lots of free samples in the internet, but most are recorded with the onboard soundcard or some really vintage AD
that sounds verry 2d toy or deadish, not alive 3d

the only good free samples i found in the web, its a jomox 909, sounds great

the best way its to make them and trade them:::: <--------
purchase a lynx L22 or a emu 1820m + RME hdsp9632 SteadyClock(TM)

i have sampled my ex-drummachines:
alesis hr-16:B, roland r-70, yamaha ry-30 + House&Rap and Dance&Soul soundcards, Linndrum LM-2, Roland D-110,

with MOTU 2408mk2 that has a nice sounding Wordclock and decent AD, way better AD/DA than Tascam DA-30mk2

my samples sound Way Better than the samples in zero-g nostalgia dvd
or those disk samples included in samplers like ensoniq, and translated to pc with awave

---->trade its the only way,
im looking for casio rz-1 not modified<---------
recorded with m-audio audiophile 192 with SteadyClock(TM)
or lynx L22 (best option) with SteadyClock(TM)
or emu 1820m + any other wordclock like:
RME SteadyClock(TM) or m-audio ap192/2496 or motu 2408mk2 wordclock by spdif
or motu 2408mk2 + pci324 wordclock or SteadyClock(TM)
m-audio audiophile 192 "has a nice wordclock, decent AD AKM chips "same AD chip as mackie 400f, and rme hdsp9632 but nicer circuit design"

the emu 1820m has an odd wordclock sounds strange but has great AD/DA converters, 8ms usable asio drivers "not that good drivers"

the m-audio ap192 wordclock sounds great way better than tc electronic finalizer express wordclock by s/pdif, tc finalizer express wordclock sounds like: "wrong highs + hand/veil infront of the mouth/tweeter mids"

i like the analog part circuit design of m-audio ap192/2496, sounds a bit more alive than rme hdsp9632, m-audio ap192 and RME hdsp 9632, RME ff800, mackie 400f/dxb have same AD chip, all have those strange highs compared to 1820m (betters/newer AD chips)

i now have 1820m + RME hdsp9632 SteadyClock(TM) by adat
but nothing to sample :(

SteadyClock(TM) sounds great, verry compatible WC, WiDE stereo image

i purchased a Lynx aes16 to hear the SyncroLock(TM) vs. SteadyClock(TM), next week becouse the "free shipping"

personally i like more the gold sound of the jomox than the real Tr-909
sounds like real tr-909+tape machine or some kind of harmonic enhancer like TR-909 + aphex 104

i think i wanna take those jomox samples and make a rebirth modpack with those

the most big diference ive heard its listening A/B my ex-linndrum LM-2 samples vs. others samples of the same linndrum lm-2 machine
mine samples sounds 3D alive, others sound deadish 2D

also.. if you sample, listen each individual outs with same sample
some outs sounds better, others sounds diferent, i used the outs 3&4 of almost all drum machines, alesis, roland r70, yamaha, becouse it does not have fader and/or becouse are not used that much, sounds better than outs 1&2

by the way... the original yamaha ry-30 its 48k

[sexxy]

also i dont like the apogee rosetta800 sound, sounds colored AD stage, becouse the softlimit clipper, sounds up-front limited but narrow not open sound,

ssl alpha link sounds way way better verry natural and open, it even makes the lucid 8824 sound like a soundblaster! testing A/B

the 888/24 sounds verry nice

[nick x0x]

i sampled an 808 directly into my emu e64...theres 95 hits in 11 folders at 16/48(the e64 doesnt do 24bit)...pm me if u want to work a trade.

[dbu]

Originally Posted by nick x0x

i sampled an 808 directly into my emu e64...theres 95 hits in 11 folders at 16/48(the e64 doesnt do 24bit)...pm me if u want to work a trade.

What's the total size of all of the folders?

[nick x0x]

Originally Posted by dbu

What's the total size of all of the folders?

surprisingly small, 7.25meg...the longest samples are less then 450k.

[joshelevator]

Originally Posted by sexxy

also i dont like the apogee rosetta800 sound, sounds colored AD stage, becouse the softlimit clipper, sounds up-front limited but narrow not open sound,

ssl alpha link sounds way way better verry natural and open, it even makes the lucid 8824 sound like a soundblaster! testing A/B

the 888/24 sounds verry nice

turn off the soft limit - the rosetta is fine for sampling drum machines, very good imo.

[huggie]

I have two products that my interest you:

The Tape808 - Two 808's recorded on a 1/2 inch valve tape machine. Also the 808's were recorded through other vintage hardware and naked into a Metric Halo ULN-2:
Tape808


The MPC60 Vol 1 (TR) - Most of the TR drum machines recorded into an MPC60.
The MPC60 page


Both these products come as sample packs or formated for iDrum, Battery, Guru and Refill.

Hugo

[messiahwannabe]

Originally Posted by huggie

I have two products that my interest you:

no offense dude, but i'm looking for this stuff recorded clean and pristine - the tape and mpc60 ambience is an interesting concept, but you've only got the clean recordings of the 808 and i'm really looking for more than just that...

that said i've seen guys punting their drum collections on line (though for some reason i can't find much today :/ ) and i'm curious if anyone's had any good experiences getting stuff that way...

Originally Posted by sexxy

the best way its to make them and trade them::::

i've thought about finding a studio with all this gear on standby, going in and programming a single hit on each machine and recording it straight into a protools session i can then open up and edit at home...

but a) if i owned a studio with a bunch of vintage gear, i'm not sure i'd be too keen on someone doing that, and

b)i live in frikkin indonesia, not london new york or la, so finding such a studio isn't really that simple.

better if i can just find a decent product i can purchace. several companies have products along this line out, surely they dont *all* suck?

i'd do a trade (if i have anything you'd want?) but so far no one's fessed up to owning a 909 even, not to mention 606 707 etc...


by the way, what do you guys think of those hyperreal samples?

Music Machines: drum-machines

i've run across several people mentioning them (but not in, like, hushed, reverent tones or anything)

[huggie]

Originally Posted by messiahwannabe

no offense dude, but i'm looking for this stuff recorded clean and pristine - the tape and mpc60 ambience is an interesting concept, but you've only got the clean recordings of the 808 and i'm really looking for more than just that...

No offense taken bro... but just for the record... The 808 was recorded 3 different ways. First it was recorded pristine into a Metric Halo ULN-2. It was also recorded onto a valve 1/2 inch tape machine at 2 different levels (normal and distorted)... and lastly it was recorded through other vintage gear to get a different flavor...
So you get a pristine 808 with no trickery, you get a tape version with all the warmth and character of very expensive 1/2 inch. Plus you get the 808 through other gear to extend and phaten... and all for only $24 mapped out on Battery, Guru, iDrum or refill... $19 just for the samples!

Check it out... I have had nothing but praise for the Tape808!

Regards
Hugo

[messiahwannabe]

Originally Posted by huggie

No offense taken bro... but just for the record... The 808 was recorded 3 different ways.

yup, i saw that. seriously, if you had the 808 along with all the machines you've got in your mpc (909 606 707 etc) i'd be totally down.

i'm actually downloading several banks of 808 stuff for free, supposedly on high grade gear, no compression etc ( http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread...0&pagenumber=4 ) but i still dont have the other machines... i could probably live with the hyperreal samples for the 606 707 etc but a superclean sample set of the 909 needs to happen!

you got those machines lying around in your studio? thought of expanding your product line?

[sexxy]

Originally Posted by huggie

No offense taken bro... but just for the record... The 808 was recorded 3 different ways. First it was recorded pristine into a Metric Halo ULN-2. It was also recorded onto a valve 1/2 inch tape machine at 2 different levels (normal and distorted)... and lastly it was recorded through other vintage gear to get a different flavor...
So you get a pristine 808 with no trickery, you get a tape version with all the warmth and character of very expensive 1/2 inch. Plus you get the 808 through other gear to extend and phaten... and all for only $24 mapped out on Battery, Guru, iDrum or refill... $19 just for the samples!

Check it out... I have had nothing but praise for the Tape808!

Regards
Hugo

thumbsup
im tempted, love to hear those 808 toms & claps with tapesat,
metric halo good enough

im thinking about makin rebirth 338 modpacks with tape808 wav samples, the reason and battery sounds strange, good a/b comparison of sampler engines by the way!

im really tempted
if it had tape606,707,727,909 casio rz1, etc..
would be a shure buy

[sexxy]

Originally Posted by messiahwannabe

what do you guys think of those hyperreal samples?

Music Machines: drum-machines

crappy

[edenflux]

i have all the tr drum machines except for the tr-505 (yuck) gave that shit away.

anyways i was looking for roland r-70 drum machines. i want the latin and jazz samples.

[ignatius]

the goldbaby stuff is nice. i have the sp1200 sampled kits and some of the free stuff. all very useful and very well done.

as far as "pristine" goes.. you can record to a good analog tape machine in as just a "pristine" way as any other medium... you might actually like the sound better on tape.. it has a way of doing that sometimes.

for goldbaby

ymmv

[alexp]

Originally Posted by messiahwannabe

yup, i saw that. seriously, if you had the 808 along with all the machines you've got in your mpc (909 606 707 etc) i'd be totally down.

i'm actually downloading several banks of 808 stuff for free, supposedly on high grade gear, no compression etc ( Dogs On Acid - post your best 808/909 samples ) but i still dont have the other machines... i could probably live with the hyperreal samples for the 606 707 etc but a superclean sample set of the 909 needs to happen!

you got those machines lying around in your studio? thought of expanding your product line?

I have an 808/909/707 sitting in front of me that ive sampled before for people. Its straight from the machine, into a patchbay, into an allan and heath console, to 1/4 inch tape. I have them made up already, if you want them let me know. If you want specifics, I can dial them in for you on which ever drum machine of your choosing.

alexP

[Mr Arkadin]

Originally Posted by messiahwannabe

to be more specific, i'm looking for raw, unprocessed samples, 48k rather than 41. it would be cool if they had multiple samples of the various instruments at different settings (changes in pitch, click, tone, bend etc done natively on the machine itself) so i dont have to **** with the original sound too much in the digital realm - ideally i'd occasionally like to take the original sample itself and paste/import it into protools directly so as to have the cleanest, least-colored sound possible, especially for kicks, claps and snares... it's nice if it's clearly structured, set up into patches etc, but i'd take all of them as .wav files in a single folder if they're the best sounding...

Sounds like you need these:

Dubsounds Samples Area

Recorded at 48kHz as multiple single hits where possible (for analogue variation) and as Rex loops with different combinations and tempi (select the tempo nearest to your track for authenticity). There are some free ones so try those for quality. It hasn't got all the machines you want but is a great source for the more obscure ones.

Full description here:

Dubsounds Samples Area

[sonik303]

check those out:

Sample CDs & Sample Packs - Wave Alchemy

[messiahwannabe]

i was just going through some of my old posts and i found this thread and thought i'd let everyone know how things turned out...

for the record, i wound up going with goldbaby's 808's and 909's after hearing loads of good feedback about them, and now i use them almost exclusively for basic roland sounds, as well some of his other sample sets for other machines, lynn drums and so on. they're all well recorded, i use both the clean and taped versions of his sounds depending on the tone i'm going for, or even layer them (a mostly clean one with a hint of the super tapedriven sample layered for a bit of edge for example) and they're well organized by drum sound, with different settings for each drum filed in an order that makes sense, etc. it's very easy to use, and they sound great.

oddly enough, besides the 808s and 909's, the ONLY other sound set i seem to use (even though i own several) is called "suburban fire 5" (as opposed to urban fire i imagine) it's totally unorganized, maybe a third of the sounds are missing when i try plugging them into guru, etc etc, BUT is is a collection of about 8000 drum sounds sampled straight off of various artists records (jblaze_snare_5, DANGELO-CLAP etc etc) and is hands down the most useful set of blending sounds i own (most of them would probably sound like crap on their own, plus a lot of them don't have the waveform lined up with the sample start, have stray hit's of other instruments at the end of the sample and so on) but damn they sure are useful. so where the hell can i download suburban fire 1-4, 6 & 7 etc etc google is not making it easy for once!

[fooddude]

Hey goldbaby, or others.... I am looking for a stadium, in your face, LOUD "Finger Snap" samples. Do you have this too? I do not know which vintage drum machines make this, maybe except an Alesis HR-16. I heard the LinnDrum makes this sound too, I am unsure as I am new at everything..

..anyone know which vintage drum machines makes that loud, tight finger-snap sound? ..or who makes the best sample of it?

thx


...also, if I have an MPC60 as my main seq/sampler, is Goldbaby's samples still good for use with it, since they are soo processed? ..or do I just use the most "pristine" untouched ones, since I am trying to avoid "re-sampling/lo-fi'ing" them when I sample them into my 60? (btw: I will be sampling the samples from my Macbook Pro into the MPC60, as I dont have the 3.1 OS nor SCSI/ZiP)

[rockmanrock]

Originally Posted by fooddude

Hey goldbaby, or others.... I am looking for a stadium, in your face, LOUD "Finger Snap" samples. Do you have this too? I do not know which vintage drum machines make this, maybe except an Alesis HR-16. I heard the LinnDrum makes this sound too, I am unsure as I am new at everything..

..anyone know which vintage drum machines makes that loud, tight finger-snap sound? ..or who makes the best sample of it?

thx

Korg M1 and descendents.

[Dirty Halo]

Driven Machine Drums is another fantastic option!

(Good guy behind them, too)

-Andrews

[messiahwannabe]

Originally Posted by fooddude

...also, if I have an MPC60 as my main seq/sampler, is Goldbaby's samples still good for use with it, since they are soo processed? ..or do I just use the most "pristine" untouched ones, since I am trying to avoid "re-sampling/lo-fi'ing" them when I sample them into my 60? (btw: I will be sampling the samples from my Macbook Pro into the MPC60, as I dont have the 3.1 OS nor SCSI/ZiP)

his 808 and 909 sets all include clean samples as well, as he mentions above - i think some other sets are like that as well, though i believe some are *all* "effected"

[fooddude]

...I think I'm gonna go for GoldBaby's tape808 & tape909 soon as I get a few extra bucks....

...so, does anyone know what drum machines or sample pack makers have loud, stadium style, nice, Finger Snap sounds?