Questions About Compression In House Music

panmarek · 28th July 2007

1. If my BPM is 136 then time from kick to next kick is 441ms. How long take all compression cycle? For example attack 41ms + release 400ms(sum 441ms)?

2. How compressor knows when start count ms?

jude · 29th July 2007

ok, i'll bite

**** the math dude. just use your ears.its not a case of 1/8th ot this to 9/7ths of that

tweak, listen, learn,thats all!

panmarek · 29th July 2007

when release is start count, after attack time?

nofi · 29th July 2007

compression cycle???? are you writing house music or are you writing an internal combustion engine?

the compressor detects when the incoming signal is above the "threshold" you have set on the compressor. At this point it starts to bring in it's gain reduction, based on the "Attack" time you set.

When the incoming signal goes back below the "threshold" level, then the compressor starts taking out its gain reduction, based on your "Release" setting.

so to get compressor attack and release time suitable for your music, play with the attack and release controls (and threshold, and ratio!) and listen to how it sounds. The rate of attack and release really depends on a lot of what's in the music.

teknosmoker · 29th July 2007

Huh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jude

**** the math dude. just use your ears.

Agreed - For delays, maybe a bit of math (or a delay chart/calculation/converter BPM to ms., etc.), but for compression?? No. There is no magic formula. Just tweak the controls tayloring them to how you want the end result to sound.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofi

listen to how it sounds.

Exactly.

panmarek · 29th July 2007

Can somebody add compression to my part of track and show me how it can punching, pumping?
please add compression.mp3

teknosmoker · 29th July 2007

If you are looking for "pumping" compression, do a search in this forum for "sidechain compression" and you will get all the info you need. There is a lot of information here that goes into great detail as to how to achieve what you are after. You will have to read, listen and learn to do it yourself.

Sidechain compression requires that you have the individual tracks from your song separated. It cannot be done from just a single stereo file as the one you posted.

ninjaneer · 29th July 2007

i'm not sure if english is your first language but there is a compression tutorial here:

SSL

there are files to download if you want -

it is from SSL so they talk alot about the duende... but the principles are true for most
compressors that have those parameters available.

try some of the ideas on your own compressor, and then modify it for your track.

panmarek · 30th July 2007

I know what is sidechaining teknosmoker and i use that. Thanks for tutorial ninjaneer.

perx · 30th July 2007

[QUOTE=nofi;1405915]compression cycle???? are you writing house music or are you writing an internal combustion engine?

QUOTE]

hahaha.. made me laugh.. ;-)

to the thread starter.. I know compression can be a bitch to learn.. But I think the best way to use compression is a combination of watching the gain reduction, balancing the output gain and as others stated in this thread: USING YOUR EARS.

Depending on the material, you would want a particular set of settings.. For the next track, those settings might not produce a good sound.. So its always up and around, changing things until it SOUNDS GOOD..

superjc · 1st August 2007

My friend, I have a simple solution for you. And it's free.

KVR: SoundFonts.it KTrancer - Virtual Effect

Insert this plugin into your track, assign a MIDI channel to the plugin, and play the pumping pattern you want on your keyboard. This is the easy way to get the effect I think you are trying to get.

pedestrian47 · 2nd August 2007

how exactly do you use it to acheve that pulsating effect?

peace,
-a

by the way, that website is the Sh*t

Farshad · 2nd August 2007

A fast release, all I can say.

stevelibby3 · 25th August 2007

I just want to back up those that say to just use your ears... Tweak until you hear the result you are looking for... I used to fall into the trap of trying to understand how, why etc...when I could have been laying out a tune, or hands on practice with a compressor or eq, etc...this is the BEST way to learn and understand

28th July 2007	#1
panmarek Gear Head Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 69 Thread Starter	Questions About Compression In House Music 1. If my BPM is 136 then time from kick to next kick is 441ms. How long take all compression cycle? For example attack 41ms + release 400ms(sum 441ms)? 2. How compressor knows when start count ms?

29th July 2007	#2
jude Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 998	ok, i'll bite **** the math dude. just use your ears.its not a case of 1/8th ot this to 9/7ths of that tweak, listen, learn,thats all! __________________ http://www.myspace.com/judemay

29th July 2007	#4
nofi Lives for gear Joined: May 2007 Location: australia Posts: 1,116	compression cycle???? are you writing house music or are you writing an internal combustion engine? the compressor detects when the incoming signal is above the "threshold" you have set on the compressor. At this point it starts to bring in it's gain reduction, based on the "Attack" time you set. When the incoming signal goes back below the "threshold" level, then the compressor starts taking out its gain reduction, based on your "Release" setting. so to get compressor attack and release time suitable for your music, play with the attack and release controls (and threshold, and ratio!) and listen to how it sounds. The rate of attack and release really depends on a lot of what's in the music. __________________ http://bleepin.com http://myspace.com/bleepinjsquawkins

1st August 2007	#11
superjc Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,553	My friend, I have a simple solution for you. And it's free. KVR: SoundFonts.it KTrancer - Virtual Effect Insert this plugin into your track, assign a MIDI channel to the plugin, and play the pumping pattern you want on your keyboard. This is the easy way to get the effect I think you are trying to get. __________________ Cubase Essentials: Tips & Tricks for the Urban/Electronic producer available now!

25th August 2007	#14
stevelibby3 Gear Head Joined: Feb 2005 Location: Asheville, NC, USA Posts: 46	I just want to back up those that say to just use your ears... Tweak until you hear the result you are looking for... I used to fall into the trap of trying to understand how, why etc...when I could have been laying out a tune, or hands on practice with a compressor or eq, etc...this is the BEST way to learn and understand __________________ http://myspace.com/stevelibby Mac Pro 2.66 quad - 4 gb RAM, Macbook Pro 2.16ghz Intel Core Duo - 2 gb ram, Logic Pro 7, Yamaha Motif 6, Access Virus C, M-Audio Firewire 410, JBL lsr4328p, Event Tria, Behringer Truth b2031A, UAD-1 x 2, Native Instruments, etc, etc.

29th July 2007	#7
teknosmoker Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Baltimore, MD - USA Posts: 876	If you are looking for "pumping" compression, do a search in this forum for "sidechain compression" and you will get all the info you need. There is a lot of information here that goes into great detail as to how to achieve what you are after. You will have to read, listen and learn to do it yourself. Sidechain compression requires that you have the individual tracks from your song separated. It cannot be done from just a single stereo file as the one you posted.

29th July 2007	#8
ninjaneer Gear addict Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 424	i'm not sure if english is your first language but there is a compression tutorial here: SSL there are files to download if you want - it is from SSL so they talk alot about the duende... but the principles are true for most compressors that have those parameters available. try some of the ideas on your own compressor, and then modify it for your track.

30th July 2007	#9
panmarek Gear Head Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 69 Thread Starter	I know what is sidechaining teknosmoker and i use that. Thanks for tutorial ninjaneer.

30th July 2007	#10
perx Lives for gear Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 502	[QUOTE=nofi;1405915]compression cycle???? are you writing house music or are you writing an internal combustion engine? QUOTE] hahaha.. made me laugh.. ;-) to the thread starter.. I know compression can be a bitch to learn.. But I think the best way to use compression is a combination of watching the gain reduction, balancing the output gain and as others stated in this thread: USING YOUR EARS. Depending on the material, you would want a particular set of settings.. For the next track, those settings might not produce a good sound.. So its always up and around, changing things until it SOUNDS GOOD..

2nd August 2007	#12
pedestrian47 Gear interested Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Austin Posts: 18	how exactly do you use it to acheve that pulsating effect? peace, -a by the way, that website is the Sh*t

2nd August 2007	#13
Farshad Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,331	A fast release, all I can say.

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