New Black Beauty worth it?

[Jax]

The title sums it up.

I could buy a new one for about $700 in town, and I've been wanting to add a Ludwig Supersensitive or Supraphonic to my snares for awhile. Maybe even an Acrolite if it sounds good.

Should I go with this or keep looking for a cheaper Super? The older original 60's stuff ain't that hard to come by.

Who's played a modern BB?

[drastic]

The Black Beauty is an amazing snare for sure. You might want to check out the World Max Black Dawg and Black Hawg too. I just recently picked up the Hawg, and I LOVE it. It's really similar to the Black Beauty, and about half the price. If you do a search here on GS there are a few threads about the World Max snares. Here's the link.

http://www.georgesdrumshop.com/pc-10...awg-snare.aspx


Once in a while they pop up on ebay too. There are a bunch of different models/sizes, a great snare for the $$$.

[GravityRobert]

^^^ Im gonna second that. Those are amazing for the price

[chetatkinsdiet]

I've got em all and really, the Worldmax "hawg" snares are great. For $200-300 that they cost, they can't be beat. No need to get a 60s Supra if you must have a real Luddy. The 70s are the same thing...metal doesn't age like wood, so the newer ones are maybe even preferable as they have less flaking typically. If you find one of the real brass shell, pre-serial Supras, that's another thing, but then again, you pay for them. You can get a new Luddy COB or BB for similar money. Find a good B/O badge Supra that has a bit more flaking on the shell...it'll cost you less money and be just what you're looking for. Spend the extra on the 6.5" version of the Hawg. You'll be happy with the pair.

If you can't have a real 20s BB, why bother with the others as you're just paying for the laquer job and etching which won't make it sound better.

Here's a pic that shows Hawg and 60s Supra 5". It's not showing my 70s 6.5" Supra or my new 6.5" Bronze shell Supra. Love em all.



later,

m

[Jax]

Originally Posted by chetatkinsdiet

I've got em all and really, the Worldmax "hawg" snares are great. For $200-300 that they cost, they can't be beat. No need to get a 60s Supra if you must have a real Luddy. The 70s are the same thing...metal doesn't age like wood, so the newer ones are maybe even preferable as they have less flaking typically. If you find one of the real brass shell, pre-serial Supras, that's another thing, but then again, you pay for them. You can get a new Luddy COB or BB for similar money. Find a good B/O badge Supra that has a bit more flaking on the shell...it'll cost you less money and be just what you're looking for. Spend the extra on the 6.5" version of the Hawg. You'll be happy with the pair.

If you can't have a real 20s BB, why bother with the others as you're just paying for the laquer job and etching which won't make it sound better.

Looks like I'm getting a WM Black Hawg soon. Thanks for the tips!

I didn't think there was a way to get 2 Luddy-style Super/Supra BB metal snares out of my $700. But that's great to know.

When you type B/O badge, is that Black/Olive? I'm not familiar with all the Ludwig jargon (although I am with most of it). The last Ludwig snare I got to play regularly was my Dad's, and that was about 25 years ago. I don't remember exactly what it was. And NO, he won't give it up. lol

p.s. - Beautiful snares chetatkinsdiet! thumbsup

[chetatkinsdiet]

The $700 and two snares was basically thinking that a Hawg is going to run you about $250-300 depending on which one you get. That leaves more than enough to grab a used B/O...(yes that's Blue/Olive badge)...on ebay or elsewhere. The price has shot up the past few years from about $150 to $300 or so, but I'd imagine you can still scare one up for around $200 or so if you look hard or find one that's a bit rough.

later,

m

[warhead]

I love the 5" Black Beauty...and when my new room is together I think it will just have to happen. That is one hell of a versatile snare!

War

[blackwatch]

Just ordered the Black Hawg


!fresshit!

[cajonezzz]

Jax- they are cool . two friends have brought em in and recorded. They are cool. But 700 is WAY too high.

call me and I'll hook you up for a lot less.

or, you can get one of the Bleifuss for about 1k. And be different.

( just put money down on the 6x13 Bleifuss)

The other thing to look for dude: the Yamaha Manu katche. Patterned after a BB and a KIK ASS recording drum

Or- you can rent my Tama Bell brass

anyhow- yeah, they are cool drums, but not as cool as a 70's BBeauty, or super 400 chrome over ( ******** expensive these days)

I'm gonnna take pics of my new xmas present tomorrow for you guys--- you'll shit.



cz

[cajonezzz]

Hey jax.... defiintely pick up an Acrolite. Very nice little drum to have in the quiver. Quiet, but very distinctive.

I'm gonna check out the drum you ordered... I saw it at namm, but wasn't impressed. Heard nothing but praise for it otherwise.


cz

[pan60]

Originally Posted by cajonezzz

I'm gonnna take pics of my new xmas present tomorrow for you guys--- you'll shit.
cz

[cfjis]

The Black Hawg is a rocking snare drum. Having done drum tech work with guys who use Black Beauties all the time, the Black Hawg more than stands up to them.

Can't recommend it enough.

[funkdrmr]

Originally Posted by cfjis

The Black Hawg is a rocking snare drum. Having done drum tech work with guys who use Black Beauties all the time, the Black Hawg more than stands up to them.

Can't recommend it enough.

My favorite snare! I'm still trying to find out how many sounds I can get out of my B.B. I bought mine brand new almost 3 years ago and have rarely used another snare since!

[C/G]

Originally Posted by cajonezzz

Hey jax.... defiintely pick up an Acrolite. Very nice little drum to have in the quiver. Quiet, but very distinctive.

I'm gonna check out the drum you ordered... I saw it at namm, but wasn't impressed. Heard nothing but praise for it otherwise.


cz

Sorry to hijack this thread, but I have been thinking about trying a 14" X 7" acrylic snare, but have never played one. I've played a Ludwig Acrolite kit and thought it was ok. I prefer maple but I am interested in trying an acrylic snare.

Do they tend to be dry in tone? I have also been looking at 1/8" thick shell, aluminum snare in a 14" x 6.5" and it sounded pretty nice. It was made by Epek, www.epekpercussion.com These guys are basically in my back yard and have been wanting to support the locals and buy something from him. He gets his acrylic shells from the same people that make them for Ludwig and other companies.

I am currently using two 14" x 8" 20 ply snares that I love (1 maple and 1 birch) and wonder how an acrylic snare will be of use to me.

[Nu-tra]

i bought my black beauty at pro drum shop for around $500 and love it!

[cajonezzz]

Acrylic snares can sound great. Relatively loud.

I had an old 5.5 vistalite that I never should have let go of.

I'd definitely not say "woody". They are a bit brittle. But really cool for some stuff.

[Jax]

I'm not in a tough spot.

There's money burning a hole in my pocket. lol

The only challenge is being torn between 3 things I love to do:

1) drumming - get a couple of Ludwig snares (leaning heavily this way at the moment)... or a drum rack (yawn)
2) audio engineering - get a plug-in or two (yawwn, but they'd be useful)
3) guitar playing - get an Orange Tiny Terror (I'm lovin playing guitar now too)

[Greg Wells]

I bought a reissue Black Beauty for $333 from West LA Music back in 1993, and it's the best drum I own. I've had everyone from Matt Chamberlain to Ross Garfield (the Drum Doctor) to Joey Jordison (Slipknot) comment on how amazing it sounds. Super versatile and instantly recordable. It's still my go-to snare after all these years.

[blackwatch]

George from George's Drum Shop told me a great story about the WorldMax Black Hawg whn i bought it...something like this:

the 'Not So Modern Drummer Magazine Annual Snare Drum Olympics' jugdes/panel all pick this snare when given the blindfold test of all the top snares in the annual contest


sounds pretty word to me

[Jax]

Originally Posted by blackwatch

George from George's Drum Shop told me a great story about the WorldMax Black Hawg whn i bought it...something like this:

the 'Not So Modern Drummer Magazine Annual Snare Drum Olympics' jugdes/panel all pick this snare when given the blindfold test of all the top snares in the annual contest


sounds pretty word to me

Now THAT is a beauty!

I know what my X-mas present to me is gonna be. thumbsup

[Jax]

Looks like the Big Brother of the N&C Alloy Classic, which I also have. All in the family!

[Nu-tra]

That black on black is sexi!

Originally Posted by blackwatch

George from George's Drum Shop told me a great story about the WorldMax Black Hawg whn i bought it...something like this:

the 'Not So Modern Drummer Magazine Annual Snare Drum Olympics' jugdes/panel all pick this snare when given the blindfold test of all the top snares in the annual contest


sounds pretty word to me

[Bang]

black beauty:

www.stevenslatedrums.com/stevenslate2.mp3

love that damn drum. first snare I ever got a hard case for, it deserves more then the softy. its also the first snare I ever gave a name to.. Betty. ok, it was the second one. Can't forget about Free Floaten Freddy, the pearl maple free floater. ok time for my pills.

[RoundBadge]

The BB reissues are fine..i usually change the snare wires[puresound wides] and heads right away on any new Luddy snare.

Something about the newer metal supraphonics..more brittle/bright than the older ones.
usable crack, but different

Drum paradise in La makes a good BB type drum..tube lugs ..brass shell.
..called "The Hitmaker"
great recording snare..

Something really special about the old 70 BB's though.

[Greg Wells]

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

Drum paradise in La makes a good BB type drum..tube lugs ..brass shell.
..called "The Hitmaker"
great recording snare..

I have that drum, and tune it low - massive "boosh". Records beautifully.

[chetatkinsdiet]

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

The BB reissues are fine..i usually change the snare wires[puresound wides] and heads right away on any new Luddy snare.

Something about the newer metal supraphonics..more brittle/bright than the older ones.
usable crack, but different

Drum paradise in La makes a good BB type drum..tube lugs ..brass shell.
..called "The Hitmaker"
great recording snare..

Something really special about the old 70 BB's though.

Hey RB,

That's funny you mention about changing the heads on new luddy's. I just picked up a bronze 6.5" supra and am sort of digging on the Ludwig head. I haven't really played it too much...we'll see if it holds up or not. Or maybe I'll just be totally blown away once I get some better snares and Ambassadors on here.

later,

m

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by chetatkinsdiet

Hey RB,

That's funny you mention about changing the heads on new luddy's. I just picked up a bronze 6.5" supra and am sort of digging on the Ludwig head. I haven't really played it too much...we'll see if it holds up or not. Or maybe I'll just be totally blown away once I get some better snares and Ambassadors on here.

later,

m

I find the lud heads /snares= instant boxyness and bright..
I really dig the wide strand snares on those drums.
also,a great trick I learned from Joe Montineri years ago when he used to live in my hood, tuning the bottom 4 lugs down right at the beds..
lets the snares "settle"into the head thumbsup

but I did use a stock 6.5 supra on a couple tunes last year..
super crack/no body..worked for the song.

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by Greg Wells

I have that drum, and tune it low - massive "boosh". Records beautifully.

Greg.Also try replacing the diecast hoops with regular light guage triple flanges..

The drum really opens up and becomes condsiderably more "livelythumbsup

[chetatkinsdiet]

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

I find the lud heads /snares= instant boxyness and bright..
I really dig the wide strand snares on those drums.
also,a great trick I learned from Joe Montineri years ago when he used to live in my hood, tuning the bottom 4 lugs down right at the beds..
lets the snares "settle"into the head thumbsup

but I did use a stock 6.5 supra on a couple tunes last year..
super crack/no body..worked for the song.

Yeah, always tune those 4 lugs down. That was from high school in the 70s with our acrolites. I've never been a fan of wide snares. I'll give some a shot though. Although, I hate to spend the Puresound money on a set if I don't like them. I never think about wide snares on drums unless they're 7 or 8 inches deep.

later,

m

[Nu-tra]

I put a nice ambassador CS on mine.. Sounds killer for recording