cocktail Drums

pan60 · 17th December 2006, 06:46 PM

cocktail Drums any one know much about this type of drum?
how good is the bass?
i seen Brian Setzer's drummer using one line and it sparked a interest.

pan · 17th December 2006, 09:29 PM

Whats that?

Shakers, bottles and bowls?

Brian Setzer?
Ahh, you mean those sets for "upright" drummers...

Bob Ross · 18th December 2006, 01:54 PM

Reaching back into the depths of a memory ravaged with too much excess, I recall first encountering the "cocktail drum" in a 1973 Slingerland catalog. It is a tall two-headed drum with snares underneath the top head (!) and a reverse-angled kick pedal thumping against the bottom head...plus a cymbal stand mounted to the side. Basically a really shitty sounding kick & snare all in one. Played standing up, with brushes. While wearing a powder-blue tuxedo, of course. Presumably used for space-challenged General Business gigs.

pan60 · 18th December 2006, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Played standing up, with brushes. While wearing a powder-blue tuxedo, of course.

While wearing a powder-blue tuxedo, of course.
of course : )
you would have to be wearing a powder-blue tuxedo.

chetatkinsdiet · 18th December 2006, 03:49 PM

Nothing really to write home about. The portability is nice, but those like the Slings which are basically a tall floor tom with a pedal that hits up to the bottom head. Sometimes snares are attached to the underside of the top head to give a sort of snare sound. These were in the Sling catalogs back in the 50s. I can't remember if they're around earlier than that, but it's possible.

Rogers had a cool version as well back in the day. Theirs was a bit more conventional. If you're familiar with the Rogers "swivo" hardware, then you can imagine this.....a small 18 or 20" kick with the swivo hardware holding a snare on top with a ride cymbal holder as well. Basically everything is stuck on the kick drum. This one sounds pretty much like a regular kick and snare....since it is. The placement is a bit strange though.

If you were to run across one of these at the right price, it might be fun to have around, but you're probably not going to use one for their great sounds. If you need a small kit like this for gigs that need super fast breakdown or a kit that travels well, I'd probably look for something like the little Yamaha Jungle kit or I believe Sonor makes one as well. Either that or just look for a small vintage student line kit like the Ludwig Club Dates or Rogers Tower kit. They sound great and are small. The Rogers is my favorite there as their drums sounded killer. I'm actually playing a gig this week and pulling out my Tower kit. Red Onyx with matching snare......merry christmas. ;-)

m

cajonezzz · 18th December 2006, 06:57 PM

Hey Pan- they are cool, and can definitely give you a different sound. I've played a couple of the newer Yam cocktail kits, and had a great time.

Big caveat ( for me) the standing position and the way you gotta rock your balance over would KILL my back on a longish gig. very unhealthy position to be in.

The kit I'm about to grab that is flippin me out right now: http://www.gigpig.org/media.php?b=pns

joeq · 18th December 2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cajonezzz

The kit I'm about to grab that is flippin me out right now: http://www.gigpig.org/media.php?b=pns

wow that is very cool

are they available in the US in stores?

pan60 · 18th December 2006, 08:15 PM

very cool!!!!!

Pasta4lnch · 18th December 2006, 08:37 PM

check out KT Tunstall's album. Her drummer uses one on a few tunes. It was amazing live!! She also just put out an acoustic thing . . . I'll be willing to bet he used it all over that album . . .

pan60 · 18th December 2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta4lnch

check out KT Tunstall's album. Her drummer uses one on a few tunes. It was amazing live!! She also just put out an acoustic thing . . . I'll be willing to bet he used it all over that album . . .

the GigPig?
or some other coctail drum?

Pasta4lnch · 19th December 2006, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pan60

the GigPig?
or some other coctail drum?

wasn't the gig pig (although that looks pretty funky!) it was a big cylendrical drum w/ a side snare, hh and crash. I explained it to a drummer friend and he called it a cocktail kit . . . I origionally thought it was calledd a "troubador kit"

looked something like this:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...Set?sku=440517

either way it sounded pretty darn good. something different. . .

pan60 · 19th December 2006, 04:31 AM

this one caught my attention.
http://www.dwdrums.com/drums/specialty.htm
anyone know how much these are?

pan60 · 19th December 2006, 04:33 AM

or these maybe?
http://www.metrodrum.com/

cajonezzz · 19th December 2006, 06:58 AM

The DW's are nice Pan.... pretty WAY pricey for what they are though.
You could build a mini kit like that pretty cheap, buy shells etc. Or , poach some different drums from ebay and cobble together a cool kit.

i did this with a 16" gretsch floor tom... put it on a riser as a kik ( aquarian 16 kik head) and use perc, and a small snare and whatever else to do what i call "mini kit"

The cocktail kit thing is a whole different animal. I think the Gigpig might get more play... and with triggers, could be a hiphop machine.

yehaw.

hurrry up santa!

pan60 · 14th January 2007, 06:36 PM

i have been eyeing these
http://www.phattiedrums.com/web/cocktail.htm
they have a shorter set that should be out any time, ( that is what they told me ) intended for drummers who need to be in a more traditionally seated position.
they look cool to me:)

halfcocked · 7th September 2007, 04:36 AM

Cocktail Drums are really cool!
They've come a long way since the olden days too.There is a real cult following for these sets now.Great for small stages,acoustic,jazz,Rockabilly sort of stuff.They have all kinds of things attached now and sound as good as any drum set. Go to The Cocktail Drum Lounge that is the mecca for anyone interested in these contraptions.
I have a set made by Billy Blast Drums out of Orange California. Snare drum, drum kits, drum shells, cymbals, slingerland, drum lugs, keller drum shells and they are great. Billy uses only Keller maple shells and this set packs up inside each other. My band plays mainly blues and Rock&Roll here in Melaka Malaysia and we always freak people out when they see this set. It's a stand up set so some drummers shy away but once ya get the hang of it it's fun.
I also have a mini set built by Billy Blast that has a 16" Bass Drum. 10" & 14" Toms Thats a sit down set thats easy to carry around and great on small stages.
If you go to my site you can see videos of my Cocktail set and Mini Set in action! MySpace.com - Johnny Coma & The Boneshakers - Melaka - Blues / Rock / Jam Band - www.myspace.com/johnnycomatheboneshakers
I think these type of drums are enjoying a big comback.

pan60 · 7th September 2007, 07:30 PM

nice!

pasta · 23rd October 2007, 01:27 AM

Whitney Penguins are very nice and have a cocktail kit on which one can play seated. I got a chance to check these out last week and they are excellent. Beautiful sound and the wood hoops are great. Also love the compactness.

Scroll down to the bottom to see the green cocktail kit:

WhitneyDrums Drum Set Description

altdrumz · 25th October 2007, 10:52 PM

I saw these at the Drum Expo in New Hampshire and they pretty much floored me.

Metropolitan Drum Company

cheers -

altdrumz

Randall · 25th October 2007, 11:38 PM

YouTube - My Yamaha Cocktail Kit

pan60 · 26th October 2007, 12:26 AM

i still have not got one but i want one!
not sure which i will get yet?

ImJohn · 24th November 2007, 03:39 AM

This kid is very good and also has good sounding drums recorded in a dead room with just a K2 and a D112.
YouTube - Rickson Ruiz 11/14/06

I also wanted to say that, at least from what I've seen, the largest vertical drum doubles as a bass drum, from underneath and a floor tom from the top. I thought someone posted that it also has snares, which . . . sounds incorrect to me but maybe that was a thing to do at one time.

And Pan60, if you just want a small drum set the more taditionally configured Yamaha HipGig Jr. sets can sound really good with good heads and tuned up well! Fairly inexpensive too, at least forr the shells.

Also, have you searched ebay yet? if you are just lookig for a "toy" to have some fun with you can get a cocktail set for $280 shipped (or less). Probably definitely need to put good heads on them though!

pan60 · 24th November 2007, 08:58 PM

nice:)~
i am wanting a smaller kit for the studio and a cocktail kit for me.
i keep watching ebay but i may just get a new set as i have always had set that i built up from what ever came along.
i will probably try to get a smaller kit for the studio first.
at the moment i have been spend my money on 500 form gear:)~

ImJohn · 24th November 2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pan60

i will probably try to get a smaller kit for the studio first.
at the moment i have been spend my money on 500 form gear:)~

You mean like the Peavey 500 series drums?

Vintage Peavey Radial Pro 500 drums - ( Gretsch - DW ?) - (eBay item 320185988551 end time Nov-26-07 13:55:55 PST)

Besides the cocktail kits and the Yamaha HipGig and Hipgig Jr. sets, keep an eye out for a nice Tama Bop (Be-Bop) kit.

pan60 · 24th November 2007, 11:07 PM

i hear they are very nice sounding drums:)
i have a friend in Alaska that has a set but i have never have the good fortune to hear them:(
i was thinking
a 16''x18'' for a kick and keeping it virgin
a 8''x12'' or 13'' for a tom
a 14''x14'' floor tom
and the maybe a nice small snare, not sure yet.
i have a few snare so i am not to worried about that.
i keep leaning to these guys
the are coming out with a studio kit, i might do a review on a set not sure just yet.
it will be a while i am saving money for the LaChapell Audio 583s.
then their is a couple new comp hitting the market after the first of the year so the drums have dropped a bit on my priority list:(~

ImJohn · 25th November 2007, 05:17 PM

hey Pan60,

Check this out:
GRETSCH USA CUSTOM JELLY BEAN GLASS GLITTER (GRE-JBSET)

Besides probably being very nice drums, you could have some wacky fun by using matchig mic pre face plate colors to mic them up!

pan60 · 25th November 2007, 05:44 PM

nice that looks just like what i want:)~
just add a 14'' x 14'' floor tom that would do it.
how is the quality of the new Gretsch drums?
are they U.S. made or over seas?

ImJohn · 25th November 2007, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pan60

nice that looks just like what i want:)~
just add a 14'' x 14'' floor tom that would do it.
how is the quality of the new Gretsch drums?
are they U.S. made or over seas?

I've never owned any Gretsch drums unfortunately and I'm not sure where they are made. Maybe send Roundbadge (http://www.gearslutz.com/board/members/roundbadge) an PM. I know he has some experience with them so he may be able to help you out.

You could always just buy them and send them to ME and I'll be happy to take a long and careful time putting togther an opinion for ya!

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17th December 2006, 06:46 PM	#1
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	cocktail Drums cocktail Drums any one know much about this type of drum? how good is the bass? i seen Brian Setzer's drummer using one line and it sparked a interest. __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons

17th December 2006, 09:29 PM	#2
pan Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hamburg Posts: 828	Cocktail Drums??? Whats that? Shakers, bottles and bowls? Brian Setzer? Ahh, you mean those sets for "upright" drummers...

18th December 2006, 06:57 PM	#6
cajonezzz Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Carlsbad Ca. Posts: 1,722	Hey Pan- they are cool, and can definitely give you a different sound. I've played a couple of the newer Yam cocktail kits, and had a great time. Big caveat ( for me) the standing position and the way you gotta rock your balance over would KILL my back on a longish gig. very unhealthy position to be in. The kit I'm about to grab that is flippin me out right now: http://www.gigpig.org/media.php?b=pns __________________ Craig Zarkos http://www.myspace.com/cajonezzz http://tybridroom.com/ z-orama TourstopLIVE! Calavera Proving Grounds (record & ride!) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Watch your words, for they become actions. Watch your actions, for they become habits. Watch your habits, for they become character. Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.

18th December 2006, 08:15 PM	#8
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	very cool!!!!! __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons

18th December 2006, 01:54 PM	#3
Bob Ross Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 1,594	Reaching back into the depths of a memory ravaged with too much excess, I recall first encountering the "cocktail drum" in a 1973 Slingerland catalog. It is a tall two-headed drum with snares underneath the top head (!) and a reverse-angled kick pedal thumping against the bottom head...plus a cymbal stand mounted to the side. Basically a really shitty sounding kick & snare all in one. Played standing up, with brushes. While wearing a powder-blue tuxedo, of course. Presumably used for space-challenged General Business gigs.

18th December 2006, 03:49 PM	#5
chetatkinsdiet Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,473	Nothing really to write home about. The portability is nice, but those like the Slings which are basically a tall floor tom with a pedal that hits up to the bottom head. Sometimes snares are attached to the underside of the top head to give a sort of snare sound. These were in the Sling catalogs back in the 50s. I can't remember if they're around earlier than that, but it's possible. Rogers had a cool version as well back in the day. Theirs was a bit more conventional. If you're familiar with the Rogers "swivo" hardware, then you can imagine this.....a small 18 or 20" kick with the swivo hardware holding a snare on top with a ride cymbal holder as well. Basically everything is stuck on the kick drum. This one sounds pretty much like a regular kick and snare....since it is. The placement is a bit strange though. If you were to run across one of these at the right price, it might be fun to have around, but you're probably not going to use one for their great sounds. If you need a small kit like this for gigs that need super fast breakdown or a kit that travels well, I'd probably look for something like the little Yamaha Jungle kit or I believe Sonor makes one as well. Either that or just look for a small vintage student line kit like the Ludwig Club Dates or Rogers Tower kit. They sound great and are small. The Rogers is my favorite there as their drums sounded killer. I'm actually playing a gig this week and pulling out my Tower kit. Red Onyx with matching snare......merry christmas. ;-) m

18th December 2006, 08:37 PM	#9
Pasta4lnch Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 1,177	check out KT Tunstall's album. Her drummer uses one on a few tunes. It was amazing live!! She also just put out an acoustic thing . . . I'll be willing to bet he used it all over that album . . . __________________ http://myspace.com/stevebuonanotte "There should be a single Art Exchange in the world, to which the artist would simply send his works and in return be given as much as he needs. As it is, one has to be half a merchant on top of everything else, and how badly one goes about it." -Beethoven F/S Voodoo Labs Super Fuzz & Proctavia

19th December 2006, 04:31 AM	#12
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	this one caught my attention. http://www.dwdrums.com/drums/specialty.htm anyone know how much these are? __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons

19th December 2006, 04:33 AM	#13
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	or these maybe? http://www.metrodrum.com/ __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons

19th December 2006, 06:58 AM	#14
cajonezzz Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Carlsbad Ca. Posts: 1,722	The DW's are nice Pan.... pretty WAY pricey for what they are though. You could build a mini kit like that pretty cheap, buy shells etc. Or , poach some different drums from ebay and cobble together a cool kit. i did this with a 16" gretsch floor tom... put it on a riser as a kik ( aquarian 16 kik head) and use perc, and a small snare and whatever else to do what i call "mini kit" The cocktail kit thing is a whole different animal. I think the Gigpig might get more play... and with triggers, could be a hiphop machine. yehaw. hurrry up santa! __________________ Craig Zarkos http://www.myspace.com/cajonezzz http://tybridroom.com/ z-orama TourstopLIVE! Calavera Proving Grounds (record & ride!) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Watch your words, for they become actions. Watch your actions, for they become habits. Watch your habits, for they become character. Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.

14th January 2007, 06:36 PM	#15
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	i have been eyeing these http://www.phattiedrums.com/web/cocktail.htm they have a shorter set that should be out any time, ( that is what they told me ) intended for drummers who need to be in a more traditionally seated position. they look cool to me:) __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons

7th September 2007, 04:36 AM	#16
halfcocked Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melaka Malaysia Posts: 3	Cocktail Drums are really cool! They've come a long way since the olden days too.There is a real cult following for these sets now.Great for small stages,acoustic,jazz,Rockabilly sort of stuff.They have all kinds of things attached now and sound as good as any drum set. Go to The Cocktail Drum Lounge that is the mecca for anyone interested in these contraptions. I have a set made by Billy Blast Drums out of Orange California. Snare drum, drum kits, drum shells, cymbals, slingerland, drum lugs, keller drum shells and they are great. Billy uses only Keller maple shells and this set packs up inside each other. My band plays mainly blues and Rock&Roll here in Melaka Malaysia and we always freak people out when they see this set. It's a stand up set so some drummers shy away but once ya get the hang of it it's fun. I also have a mini set built by Billy Blast that has a 16" Bass Drum. 10" & 14" Toms Thats a sit down set thats easy to carry around and great on small stages. If you go to my site you can see videos of my Cocktail set and Mini Set in action! MySpace.com - Johnny Coma & The Boneshakers - Melaka - Blues / Rock / Jam Band - www.myspace.com/johnnycomatheboneshakers I think these type of drums are enjoying a big comback.

7th September 2007, 07:30 PM	#17
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	nice! __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons

23rd October 2007, 01:27 AM	#18
pasta Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: No. CA Posts: 29	whitney Whitney Penguins are very nice and have a cocktail kit on which one can play seated. I got a chance to check these out last week and they are excellent. Beautiful sound and the wood hoops are great. Also love the compactness. Scroll down to the bottom to see the green cocktail kit: WhitneyDrums Drum Set Description __________________ Hart GigaPro, Roland TD-12, Tama throne w/ back rest, Trick Pro 1-V Big Foot pedal, Ultrasone HI-FI 550 headphones,Taye GoKit

25th October 2007, 10:52 PM	#19
altdrumz Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1	Metropolitan Cocktail Drums I saw these at the Drum Expo in New Hampshire and they pretty much floored me. Metropolitan Drum Company cheers - altdrumz

25th October 2007, 11:38 PM	#20
Randall Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Muscle Shoals Posts: 3,544	YouTube - My Yamaha Cocktail Kit __________________ www.mytrailerpark.com

26th October 2007, 12:26 AM	#21
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	i still have not got one but i want one! not sure which i will get yet? __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons

24th November 2007, 03:39 AM	#22
ImJohn Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: WA USA Posts: 1,312	This kid is very good and also has good sounding drums recorded in a dead room with just a K2 and a D112. YouTube - Rickson Ruiz 11/14/06 I also wanted to say that, at least from what I've seen, the largest vertical drum doubles as a bass drum, from underneath and a floor tom from the top. I thought someone posted that it also has snares, which . . . sounds incorrect to me but maybe that was a thing to do at one time. And Pan60, if you just want a small drum set the more taditionally configured Yamaha HipGig Jr. sets can sound really good with good heads and tuned up well! Fairly inexpensive too, at least forr the shells. Also, have you searched ebay yet? if you are just lookig for a "toy" to have some fun with you can get a cocktail set for $280 shipped (or less). Probably definitely need to put good heads on them though! __________________ John L Rice

24th November 2007, 08:58 PM	#23
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	nice:)~ i am wanting a smaller kit for the studio and a cocktail kit for me. i keep watching ebay but i may just get a new set as i have always had set that i built up from what ever came along. i will probably try to get a smaller kit for the studio first. at the moment i have been spend my money on 500 form gear:)~ __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons

24th November 2007, 11:07 PM	#25
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	i hear they are very nice sounding drums:) i have a friend in Alaska that has a set but i have never have the good fortune to hear them:( i was thinking a 16''x18'' for a kick and keeping it virgin a 8''x12'' or 13'' for a tom a 14''x14'' floor tom and the maybe a nice small snare, not sure yet. i have a few snare so i am not to worried about that. i keep leaning to these guys the are coming out with a studio kit, i might do a review on a set not sure just yet. it will be a while i am saving money for the LaChapell Audio 583s. then their is a couple new comp hitting the market after the first of the year so the drums have dropped a bit on my priority list:(~ __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons

25th November 2007, 05:17 PM	#26
ImJohn Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: WA USA Posts: 1,312	hey Pan60, Check this out: GRETSCH USA CUSTOM JELLY BEAN GLASS GLITTER (GRE-JBSET) Besides probably being very nice drums, you could have some wacky fun by using matchig mic pre face plate colors to mic them up! __________________ John L Rice

25th November 2007, 05:44 PM	#27
pan60 500 series nutjob Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: 500 series Guru land ; ) Posts: 5,940	nice that looks just like what i want:)~ just add a 14'' x 14'' floor tom that would do it. how is the quality of the new Gretsch drums? are they U.S. made or over seas? __________________ www.pan60.com quote: The Hammer is like sonic crack. I'm actually afraid to use it for tracking Brad McGowan IF YOU ARE NOT INTO THE 500 FORMAT, THEN YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS! quote: your secret identity is safe with me superman! Peter Montessi it is easy to sound as though one was endowed with great intelligence, whilst speaking amongst a crowd of total morons