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Old 17th May 2012   #1
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Trigger drum machine from a real drum. No drum brain

Hi:
I don't own a drum brain (Alexis or the like). But I do have an old Yamaha drum machine lying around.
I want to trigger the drum machine using piezzos on the analog drum to layer the digital on top of the 'real' sound. With a drum brain I would connect jacks to piezzos (is that how you call them?), so the bassdrum jack would trigger the bassdrum in the drum machine, etc.
My drum machine has a standard pin midi input that you can hook to a keyboard or the like.
Is there a transformer or something where I could plug the Jacks and have a midi output from there?. I don't even really need velocity data, just some basic 0/1 midi info from the jack/piezzo.
I hope I made sense, its hard to explain
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You need a "trigger-to-MIDI module"

cheapest one I can think of is the Alesis Trigger|iO about $159


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I don't even really need velocity data

Velocity is very important. I can't imagine anybody would bother making such a device without velocity. And if they did, I am pretty sure you would regret buying it.
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Yes, velocity is important, but in this case the drum machine serves as sort of an effect to add to the real drum, it doesn't need to be too articulate.
150$ sounds like a lot for the purpose it serves. I could probably find a used drum brain for that amount.
Anyone with a cheap alternative?
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Yes, velocity is important, but in this case the drum machine serves as sort of an effect to add to the real drum, it doesn't need to be too articulate.
150$ sounds like a lot for the purpose it serves. I could probably find a used drum brain for that amount.
Anyone with a cheap alternative?
I used to do this a lot myself - triggering electronics from my acoustic kit. My rig was an Akai sampler with the trigger input card, I made custom samples and had different ones for different songs. I used them to boost my live drum sound -pretty much instead of micing it through the PA, but also because of the variations I could get.

Even though the sounds were only augmenting my acoustic volume, I think it would have been a nightmare if they did not follow my playing dynamics. Fortunately, I don't think there are many trigger devices that would NOT have velocity.

I certainly don't think you could find one cheaper because velocity was "left out".


Maybe a used Alesis D4 could be found for around that same money. It has 500 on board sounds and sensitivity adjustments for each trigger, etc. so you might like it better than your drum machine as a sound source.
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Thanks for your answers.
Here's where I'm at do far.. See 2 options:
- A) Audio to midi converter alesis i/o something... About 150€ . Converts triggers to midi signal
-B) alesis d4 drum module. About the same price used.
With the i/o (option a) I'd need a drum machine or the like since it's got no internal sounds. (Pc on stage is not an option).
Alesis d4 has internal sounds and a midi output for the same price. So I could trigger the internal sounds but also (guess) trigger any exterior device through the midi out, I could also record midi to a pc in that manner.
I'm guessing the audio to midi thing has more options, cos I just don't see the point... Maybe for finer adjustment or advance uses the converter would be the option, but it looks like the drum module does a lot more for the price.
Am I missing something?




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