How to get this snare sound

rhythmic5 · 21st December 2011

just wondering what kind of snare this might be (in the attached clip), and what I could do to get a sound like it... (what head to use, tuning, mic/mic position for the snare and room, etc)

biggator6 · 21st December 2011

It's probably heavily processed (or even more likely sample-augmented/replaced).. but I'd be surprised if you couldn't get that sound with a wide-open Supra with a light to medium weight head on it (Ambassador or CS in Remo-speak).

I'd try pointing the mic a little more toward the rim from center to get more of that ring in there (try to find a ringy but not honky spot).

2pulse · 21st December 2011

No drum expert here, but it sounds like a deeper snare, perhaps 5.5" or 6". Batter head tuned to Ab, reso head to Eb (matched up the first two fundamentals by sweeping a narrow band EQ). Guessing it's a single-ply head due to the exaggerated ringing.

kevbrowne · 21st December 2011

To me it sounds like a Brass shell&single ply head.
The whole kit sounds a bit triggered though

Gamelan · 21st December 2011

Here's my guess... triggered sample (back beat is a different sample than the fills), metal shell (maybe a supra but more likely steel or brass), top head tuned to F# (snare tension takes it up a half step to sound a G), coated ambassador, bottom head very loose, diplomat snare, snares not too tight, miced from the top a few inches up from the rim pointed at the center.

Animal2612 · 22nd December 2011

Disagree. Sounds much more like an evans coated g1 to me! But most engerners perfer remo because there old grumpy and stuck in there ways. Kinda like your grampa still using brill creame. Not his fault he doesnt know any better.

rhythmic5 · 23rd December 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2pulse

No drum expert here, but it sounds like a deeper snare, perhaps 5.5" or 6". Batter head tuned to Ab, reso head to Eb (matched up the first two fundamentals by sweeping a narrow band EQ). Guessing it's a single-ply head due to the exaggerated ringing.

haha 'no drum expert here' -- good one! thanks for all of the advice -- I attached the oh/room track separate from the snare in case that helps elucidate

Gamelan · 24th December 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Animal2612

Disagree. Sounds much more like an evans coated g1 to me! But most engerners perfer remo because there old grumpy and stuck in there ways. Kinda like your grampa still using brill creame. Not his fault he doesnt know any better.

I remember when I got my first Evans head. I thought it was pretty cool too, 35 years ago! LOL

I once ordered a set of Remos for a school I was working at. The buyer decided Evans would be better and got those instead. The kids tore through 3 of them rim to rim in the first month. But, he knew better than me, so that's what they got.

k_shepard · 24th December 2011

Definitely sounds like a deep, metal snare of some kind. I'm a Remo guy. I've tried others and am always disappointed. To me, a coated CS for snares, and pinstripes for toms work on nearly any drum. I most recently tried Aquarian Resonse 2 heads on my toms and they are just alright. I plan to go back to pinstripes on my next purchase for that warmth. This is mostly personal preference, however. I put a superkick II on both of my kick drums and am very happy with those.

biggator6 · 24th December 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamelan

I remember when I got my first Evans head. I thought it was pretty cool too, 35 years ago! LOL

I once ordered a set of Remos for a school I was working at. The buyer decided Evans would be better and got those instead. The kids tore through 3 of them rim to rim in the first month. But, he knew better than me, so that's what they got.

I use a mix myself. Evans on toms now for the most part.. Remo on snares usually (though I do have the odd Aquarian in there as well).

I did start finding Remo a little inconsistent.. both Evans and Aquarian seem to have better QC. I just don't 'know' all the Evans lines.. still talk in Remo terms.

MikeCM · 11th January 2012

Sounds like a 6.5" supraphonic with an Ambassador, high tension (not cranked), with NO moon gels or any dampening. If you're looking for that wide open sound, i would run a 1 ply head without muffling. Black Beauties can put out that sound if you dont strain the snares too tight.

Any Metal snare around 5.5"-6.5" should do the trick.

chrisso · 11th January 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamelan

I remember when I got my first Evans head. I thought it was pretty cool too, 35 years ago! LOL

You never stop do you? Funny that you so quickly accuse others of meaningless bias.

jordanvoth · 14th January 2012

Definitely sounds like a G1 head to my ears. Love those heads on certain drums. The room track is playing a big part in the overall sound.

21st December 2011	#2
biggator6 Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,979	It's probably heavily processed (or even more likely sample-augmented/replaced).. but I'd be surprised if you couldn't get that sound with a wide-open Supra with a light to medium weight head on it (Ambassador or CS in Remo-speak). I'd try pointing the mic a little more toward the rim from center to get more of that ring in there (try to find a ringy but not honky spot). __________________ "Seriously, there's a certain kind of creative inspiration that can come from exploring the outer limits of a musical instrument. Now days the limits are so vast that it can be difficult to set boundaries." --spargee

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jordanvoth Toronto Maple Leafs fan Joined: Nov 2009 Location: Winnipeg MB Posts: 1,448 1 Review written	Definitely sounds like a G1 head to my ears. Love those heads on certain drums. The room track is playing a big part in the overall sound. __________________ jay.voth@gmail.com www.soundcloud.com/jayvoth GO LEAFS GO!

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21st December 2011	#3
2pulse Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 616	No drum expert here, but it sounds like a deeper snare, perhaps 5.5" or 6". Batter head tuned to Ab, reso head to Eb (matched up the first two fundamentals by sweeping a narrow band EQ). Guessing it's a single-ply head due to the exaggerated ringing.

21st December 2011	#4
kevbrowne Gear nut Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 123	To me it sounds like a Brass shell&single ply head. The whole kit sounds a bit triggered though

21st December 2011	#5
Gamelan Gear addict Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 390	Here's my guess... triggered sample (back beat is a different sample than the fills), metal shell (maybe a supra but more likely steel or brass), top head tuned to F# (snare tension takes it up a half step to sound a G), coated ambassador, bottom head very loose, diplomat snare, snares not too tight, miced from the top a few inches up from the rim pointed at the center.

22nd December 2011	#6
Animal2612 Gear Head Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 56	Disagree. Sounds much more like an evans coated g1 to me! But most engerners perfer remo because there old grumpy and stuck in there ways. Kinda like your grampa still using brill creame. Not his fault he doesnt know any better.

24th December 2011	#9
k_shepard Gear interested Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 6	Definitely sounds like a deep, metal snare of some kind. I'm a Remo guy. I've tried others and am always disappointed. To me, a coated CS for snares, and pinstripes for toms work on nearly any drum. I most recently tried Aquarian Resonse 2 heads on my toms and they are just alright. I plan to go back to pinstripes on my next purchase for that warmth. This is mostly personal preference, however. I put a superkick II on both of my kick drums and am very happy with those.

11th January 2012	#11
MikeCM Gear interested Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 18	Sounds like a 6.5" supraphonic with an Ambassador, high tension (not cranked), with NO moon gels or any dampening. If you're looking for that wide open sound, i would run a 1 ply head without muffling. Black Beauties can put out that sound if you dont strain the snares too tight. Any Metal snare around 5.5"-6.5" should do the trick.