We spent the night tweaking the kick and changing out mics and pres and got it sounding amazing! I am so happy. We did our first session and it was a disaster, somehow we f'd up some mics and something got multed or something but the kick had as much snare and hh in it as kick and the kick itself recorded horribly. maybe a bad cable. But tonight it sounded perfect so it was operator error and of course it was on my record that I screwed up.
We are retracking drums tonight. Crazy. Grabbed a Powerstroke 3.
Good move on swapping out the PS for the Aquarian Superkick I. I've tried both and the Aq. is way more alive. What dimensions for the rack tom? I might get a 13. I'll probably end up getting 24, 18, 16, 14 and / or 13.
Still waiting for the Ludwig Keystone's to arrive in any shop around town and I'll make a comparison between them and the Yammie Oaks.
Good to see musicians rockin' out and enjoying great tones. I enjoy your videos James. Your drummer plays great!
Hmm a while back I bought some Gretsch Renoun drums 13, 16, 24 in mahogany. They sound huge and there is such bass content in the sound but being on the drums you don't hear it as the sound blooms a few feet out from the kit. It's an amazing drum kit but I wish I'd checked out the Yamaha Oak set too. I bought the kit before I got my new car and yup I can't fit the 24 inch kick in the thing! LOL
You got me into using a D112 on the floor tom and I'm liking it! Did you go for a Senn 421 on the floor tom this time round?
What preamps did you track the drums through if you don't mind me asking?
Good move on swapping out the PS for the Aquarian Superkick I. I've tried both and the Aq. is way more alive. What dimensions for the rack tom? I might get a 13. I'll probably end up getting 24, 18, 16, 14 and / or 13.
Still waiting for the Ludwig Keystone's to arrive in any shop around town and I'll make a comparison between them and the Yammie Oaks.
Oak might be the way to go. I already have maple.
Yeah the Powerstroke was a little over the top with this kick drum. It was super hard sounding, almost sounded premixed.
The tom is a 13" and I also ordered a 10" and 12" and I think when I get some extra cash I wanna get a 22" kick, so I have both.
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Good to see musicians rockin' out and enjoying great tones. I enjoy your videos James. Your drummer plays great!
Hmm a while back I bought some Gretsch Renoun drums 13, 16, 24 in mahogany. They sound huge and there is such bass content in the sound but being on the drums you don't hear it as the sound blooms a few feet out from the kit. It's an amazing drum kit but I wish I'd checked out the Yamaha Oak set too. I bought the kit before I got my new car and yup I can't fit the 24 inch kick in the thing! LOL
You got me into using a D112 on the floor tom and I'm liking it! Did you go for a Senn 421 on the floor tom this time round?
What preamps did you track the drums through if you don't mind me asking?
I've been going back and forth between the 421 and D112 on the floor tom. Both are nice I think.
API - snare
Neve - kick and toms
Pacifica - overs and rooms
Oh man I did it. I got a new Black Beauty and a 1963 Supra 402. I played them both for about an hour at the Sam Ash drum shop in Hollywood, which might I add is a cool spot. They are both awesome, the guys spent about an hour cleaning up the 402 and reheaded both drums and put new snares on the 402 and gave me back the old stuff. Wow, f**kin A!
Just got home after playing the same black Beauty as your's with my band.
Congrats! You now have two of the quintessential rock snares of all time. There is no exaggeration in that statement. It's been said many times - the BB and LM402 are the most recorded and recognizable snares in music history.
Someday I'll be buried or cremated (haven't decided which) with my BB. Not kidding.
Just got home after playing the same black Beauty as your's with my band.
Congrats! You now have two of the quintessential rock snares of all time. There is no exaggeration in that statement. It's been said many times - the BB and LM402 are the most recorded and recognizable snares in music history.
Someday I'll be buried or cremated (haven't decided which) with my BB. Not kidding.
Thanks man.
Thanks guys. I got back to the studio and we had a drum session going on, so when it was done the drummer and I tweaked on both snares for about a half and hour. They both sound so good, I left the 402 up when I was done. The drummer freaked on them, it was a lot of fun.
Supra and BB are fantastic drums, especially in the 6.5" size.
In fact pretty much all the Ludwig metal drums are superb (Acrolite, Hammered Bronze).
You should grab an old 1920's Ludwig NOB sometime.
Killer drums that can be had quite cheaply
Supra and BB are fantastic drums, especially in the 6.5" size.
In fact pretty much all the Ludwig metal drums are superb (Acrolite, Hammered Bronze).
You should grab an old 1920's Ludwig NOB sometime.
Killer drums that can be had quite cheaply
If you keep your eyes open, 5" NOBs pop up relatively frequently and at great prices. The 6.5s are a little less common and command more of a premium (I've seen anywhere from $600-$1000 in the last year; the high end of that range straining the limits of reasonable price given the supply of these drums).
Definitely a different beast but also a killer drum for sure. I'd agree with Chris on dodging the supersensitive.
I was just starting out doing live sound back when they were new, and my heart would just SINK whenever I saw a set of those infernal things come through the doors.
Nice kit James! The videos were great as well, thanks for sharing those.
I have a Gretsch Purewood Mahogany kit with 13 & 16 toms and a 24" kick, and it's always sounds good. I've had to stuff the kick chock full to tighten it up for certain sessions, but it still delivers. I just got an old Yamaha Rock Tour Custom with the same shell sizes, but I haven't tracked it yet. So far I'm cool with 24s.
For that washy crash ride sound you hear on a lot of choruses, all the hipsters use Zildjian 21" A sweet ride. The Armand ride will do a similar crashing effect. There is also one in the K series that is heavier but I forget the name of it.
The sweet ride has a great sounding bell, but for the sound you're describing I would easily pick a projection ride from Zildjian. Both are spectacular.
Don't get any goofy kick sizes. The deeper the worse in my opinion. I'd go with Ayotte. I had a DW, JB, and some others and the Ayotte came out on top for me. Any cymbals that aren't B8 are great and more of a preference thing. I personally hate everything in the Sabian range except the paragons which weren't too bad.
WE HAVE A Yamaha maple stage custom at our place...I have never had a problem makin it sound good thumbsup
I record at a school of music for kids called the HRA in los angeles, They have 2 kits there, a Yamaha Stage Custom (Birch)and a 5 piece tama.
Ive had a few Drumkits in this studio, My brother is a fantastic drummer and he brought in his Ludwig Vistalite Kit, I thought to myself its gonna be hard not to get a great recorded sound with thiese.
Well no matter what I did, the tracks sounded like crap.
Another Friend of mine who is an excellent drummer, brought in his big time DW Kit. I thought to myself hmmmm These are gonna rock.......
well wishfull thinking!
Then when I was completely discouraged, my nephew suggested I should try the Yamaha Stage Custom in the corner that every kid has abused.
So I thought to myself, these are going to sound like Crap (beat up heads and all).
Well...... I have yet to get a better sound in this room. Even when I half assed micd them they sounded un real. I cant recommend a better drumset for recording on a budget.
I have Good /Decent Mics and Equipment the room is Okay.
I record at a school of music for kids called the HRA in los angeles, They have 2 kits there, a Yamaha Stage Custom (Birch)and a 5 piece tama.
Ive had a few Drumkits in this studio, My brother is a fantastic drummer and he brought in his Ludwig Vistalite Kit, I thought to myself its gonna be hard not to get a great recorded sound with thiese.
Well no matter what I did, the tracks sounded like crap.
Another Friend of mine who is an excellent drummer, brought in his big time DW Kit. I thought to myself hmmmm These are gonna rock.......
well wishfull thinking!
Then when I was completely discouraged, my nephew suggested I should try the Yamaha Stage Custom in the corner that every kid has abused.
So I thought to myself, these are going to sound like Crap (beat up heads and all).
Well...... I have yet to get a better sound in this room. Even when I half assed micd them they sounded un real. I cant recommend a better drumset for recording on a budget.
I have Good /Decent Mics and Equipment the room is Okay.
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