M/S over a drumkit

[TheArchitect]

Has anyone ever tried it? I am planning to on my next drum session and was wondering if anyone had experience with it.


The plan is a minimal mic set up. Recorderman layout for the overheads. Kick mic and traditional top/bottom snare mics. May not even need the top snare mic but its insurance.

The 6th and final mic will be a figure 8 over the kit with the lobes aimed at the walls. This mic's track will get copied to a second track and polarity reversed with the 2 tracks panned and used to bring up the ambience of the room.

[Nutmeg II.]

For M/S you need a cardioid M mic to do the trick.
Otherwise you'll have a signal that'll cancel out.

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by Nutmeg II.

For M/S you need a cardioid M mic to do the trick.
Otherwise you'll have a signal that'll cancel out.

The other overheads are serving that purpose.....Only trying to capture the "room" sound with that mic.

and only the direct source in common on both sides of the mic would cancel. Thats the whole point.

[Nutmeg II.]

Originally Posted by TheArchitect

The other overheads are serving that purpose.....Only trying to capture the "room" sound with that mic.

and only the direct source in common on both sides of the mic would cancel. Thats the whole point.

Recordeman + fig8 mic (in the way you want to use it) will not get you any type of M/S or usefull canceling, it will get you a phasey mess.

But try it your self.

For M/S you need the M and S mics in the same spot (aka coincident).
Other wise you get comb filtering rather than a broadband canceling.

[TheRealRoach]

M/S works great for drums although I use it in the sweet spot of a room. Mostly a few feet away and focused on capturing good snare/kick sound. You can smash these with a compressor/limiter for a great explosion, or use it more conservatively to fill out ambiances.

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by Nutmeg II.

Recordeman + fig8 mic (in the way you want to use it) will not get you any type of M/S or usefull canceling, it will get you a phasey mess.

But try it your self.

For M/S you need the M and S mics in the same spot (aka coincident).
Other wise you get comb filtering rather than a broadband canceling.

Have you actually tried this or are you speculating?

[Nutmeg II.]

Sigh!

If you record for some time and got some of the physics behind the acoustics down, you'll realise that this is not a trick, it's a...

I am one of the guys that always encourage ppl to try/do it and not to write/read and discus about it in a forum.

So I tell you this will not get you what you are writeing here.
But I also tell you, go ahead and try it.

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by Nutmeg II.

Sigh!

If you record for some time and got some of the physics behind the acoustics down, you'll realise that this is not a trick, it's a...

I am one of the guys that always encourage ppl to try/do it and not to write/read and discus about it in a forum.

So I tell you this will not get you what you are writeing here.
But I also tell you, go ahead and try it.

Sigh indeed!

No one said it was a trick. I know M/S works. I know how to do it. I use it on solo guitar recordings and a lot of other things.

I was asking specifically about DRUMS. I then asked you if you had done what I was specifically proposing. I will assume that answer is no since you felt the need to lecture me on the topic.

[cortisol]

Nice ego there the Architect. Have you ever used a microphone or are you gas bagging. LOL sheesh

I also don't like M&S technique for overhead duties. IME it sounds better capturing the room a ways back. I prefere blumlein in a treated room or recorderman if not (both for the feel of the stereo image) and binaural with a Jecklin disk. I usually don't like my overheads to be roomy as a starting point although I may add a touch of artifical verb to the overheads as a mix decission.

Yup I have tried these techniques for myself in the real world on recording session.

Peace,
cortisol

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by cortisol

Nice ego there the Architect. Have you ever used a microphone or are you gas bagging. LOL sheesh

I also don't like M&S technique for overhead duties. IME it sounds better capturing the room a ways back. I prefere blumlein in a treated room or recorderman if not (both for the feel of the stereo image) and binaural with a Jecklin disk. I usually don't like my overheads to be roomy as a starting point although I may add a touch of artifical verb to the overheads as a mix decission.

Yup I have tried these techniques for myself in the real world on recording session.

Peace,
cortisol

Apologies to all. Yesterday was not my best. Note to self. Stay away from PC when pissed off about other completely unrelated things.....


OK. Sound like my time is better spent experimenting with something else for the room sounds of the kit.