Do all drum triggers suck for metal?

[VigilantSound]

I have a set of Roland RT, triggers and a set of PinTech RS triggers. I have tried tweaking every setting in my module, its a Roland TD-V6 and I can not get these things to keep up with my playing, and im no Tim Waterson. They miss hits when I start rolling on the bass drum. I play a single kick with an Axis double pedal. Im thinking of trying another brand like DDrum but I feel they cant be any better than the rolands or the Pintechs. Any suggestions for settings or other brands? It is only an issue on the KICK DRUM!

[biggator6]

Most guys playing super hi-speed metal will use two kick drums... it's too hard for a single trigger to keep up with that much movement/impact on a single (large) head. If you're triggering anyway - pick up another cheap kick and try it.

[liquidorange]

the roland rt triggers are a joke. they clip to the shell and dont reproduce anything useable. get a set of ddrum triggers. they arent perfect either but can be very useable.

[Noctivigant]

For a single bass drum with Axis, check out the Axis E-Kit triggers. They're the most accurate triggers out there if you set them up right.

[VigilantSound]

Originally Posted by Noctivigant

For a single bass drum with Axis, check out the Axis E-Kit triggers. They're the most accurate triggers out there if you set them up right.

Never herd of them, but if there from axis they should be decent, Thanks, I will look into this!

[VigilantSound]

I checked out the Axis E kit Triggers, They look cool but don't help me any. I'm looking for a trigger that attaches to an acoustic kick drum, that way I can have a trigger and a mic blended in the live mix.

[Noctivigant]

The E-Kit triggers using the bass drum pedal, as opposed to the drum head. You set it up so that the 'hammer' hits the 'thing' at the same time as the beater hitting the drum head. When it's set up right, it's much more accurate than a head trigger, because you don't get the vibrations from the drumhead.

Nothing's stopping you from mic'ing the kick as well.

The only downside that I can see is that they only work with Axis pedals... But you said you have an Axis double. :s

[VigilantSound]

Originally Posted by Noctivigant

The E-Kit triggers using the bass drum pedal, as opposed to the drum head. You set it up so that the 'hammer' hits the 'thing' at the same time as the beater hitting the drum head. When it's set up right, it's much more accurate than a head trigger, because you don't get the vibrations from the drumhead.

Nothing's stopping you from mic'ing the kick as well.

The only downside that I can see is that they only work with Axis pedals... But you said you have an Axis double. :s

Oh, cool I did not realize that you could use both, that means there have to be 2 beaters per pedal though. Have you used these? How is the "feel"? is it natural?

[VigilantSound]

So, I just looked a little closer at the Axis EKit Triggers, I see they have a little mini hammer for hitting the trigger and you can still hit a real drum at the same time. I will definitely be getting a pair of these in the near future!

[Noctivigant]

Originally Posted by VigilantSound

Oh, cool I did not realize that you could use both, that means there have to be 2 beaters per pedal though. Have you used these? How is the "feel"? is it natural?

I've used them before, and once they're set up right, they feel like you're just hitting the drum. You don't notice them at all, unless you've set it up wrong and they're triggering early or late.

[mikethedrummer]

if youre using triggers, you probably dont need to put any effort into the actual tone of the bass drum. i may be a bit radical, but i have every old towl and blanket in my house in my bass drum and the batter head cranked way tight. tape around where the trigger sits to stop any other vibrations. your bass drum will naturally sound like arse but a good sample will more than make up for it.
not to mention the rebound and overall feel for the bass drum improves. you cant even help but play 64th notes at 666 bmp =p

[VigilantSound]

Originally Posted by mikethedrummer

if youre using triggers, you probably dont need to put any effort into the actual tone of the bass drum. i may be a bit radical, but i have every old towl and blanket in my house in my bass drum and the batter head cranked way tight. tape around where the trigger sits to stop any other vibrations. your bass drum will naturally sound like arse but a good sample will more than make up for it.
not to mention the rebound and overall feel for the bass drum improves. you cant even help but play 64th notes at 666 bmp =p

Yes but as I have mentioned I want to mic the kick as well.



So i just got the E-Kit triggers in my possession. At first I was pissed cause it did not look like you could use them on a "Double pedal" They seem more geared toward single pedals, because of the u shaped bar at the top of the pedal seemed to close to the "Detonator".

But im gonna put them on tomorrow and if all goes well, Or if all goes to shit you will most definitely here about it.

[cortisol]

Keep us posted VigilantSound. I'm interested in getting into Axis pedals because of the E kit. I've borrowed an Axis double for some gigs and thought the pedal was a little unusual but I could defintely adapt to it.

Peace,
cortisol