warped taye shells

[etneccas]

Just got around to replacing the stock heads on my taye studio maple kit
and decided to meas. the roundness of my shell's. Is 1/8" out of round exceptable for thin maple 7ply shell's
The bearing edges look like crap too

[Chapiro]

Weird ive played their drums and they sound really good. Matter of fact I have a 6.5 stainless steel snare with die cast rims from them and the manufacture is top notch it is one of my favorite snares. I also have the metal works doble pedal and same thing, top notch.

[money-pit]

the drums do still sound good despite their shortcomings
but they'd sound alot better if they had better damn quality control!
If you'd spend this much for a kit You'd expect good bearing edges
and perfectly round shells!!!!!!!!

[HiString]

How old is the kit? Maybe since Ray Ayotte "left" Taye the QC has suffered............then again, maybe not.

Depending on how much, being out of round shouldn't be a problem, actually, it's not unusual, I'd be more concerned with the bearing edges, if they're not consistant, level, etc., then that's just sloppy workmanship. The shells are probably sourced from Keller and Taye may not have even realised they had some out of round stocks.

[Chapiro]

Originally Posted by HiString

How old is the kit? Maybe since Ray Ayotte "left" Taye the QC has suffered............then again, maybe not.

Depending on how much, being out of round shouldn't be a problem, actually, it's not unusual, I'd be more concerned with the bearing edges, if they're not consistant, level, etc., then that's just sloppy workmanship. The shells are probably sourced from Keller and Taye may not have even realised they had some out of round stocks.

I agree with you 100% under ayoittes direction the company seemed to be heading in a very interesting direction but after he left they seem stuck in the same place i regularilly check their web site and its been the same for months no new kits or products whatsoever. I think it was a hude mistake for them to let him go. As for the shells my understanding is that they made their own shells.


Chapiro

[Nutmeg II.]

Contact them, they might be intrestet in happy cutomers after all.

[etneccas]

I meas. the shells again tonight and they meas.round!!!!
the heads have been off for a day so maybe the hoops are
the source of the problem.Some off the lugs screws never seemed to
line up properly.I missed a call by taye today.They sound like they really
want to resolve this issue.We'll see

[lpkyer]

Taye is definitly heading out of business unfortunetly....
The kits they made were real good though.

[etneccas]

The problem is definitly the hoops!!!!!!!
I can't believe I'm the only one that got hoops that are made too
frigg'n small.I tried some hoops from other kits and they line up perfect
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chapiro]

Originally Posted by lpkyer

Taye is definitly heading out of business unfortunetly....
The kits they made were real good though.

Is this your opinion or you have specific info about this? I am interested cause i was hoping they would release a matching metalworks hi hat stand .

[lpkyer]

Some talk I had with a Taye dealer...

[HiString]

Originally Posted by etneccas

I meas. the shells again tonight and they meas.round!!!!
the heads have been off for a day so maybe the hoops are
the source of the problem.Some off the lugs screws never seemed to
line up properly.I missed a call by taye today.They sound like they really
want to resolve this issue.We'll see

OK, first question.......what are the diameters of the shells (try and be reasonably accurate), also, preferably take at least 3 measurements across each end.

What kind of hoops are they? Have you taken measurements to check if they're out of round. Lay them on a flat surface to see if there's any distortion.

When you say "lug screws"......are you talking about the screws which attach the lugs to the shell or the bolts which hold the hoops on, these are commonly known as "tension rods".

[etneccas]

Originally Posted by HiString

OK, first question.......what are the diameters of the shells (try and be reasonably accurate), also, preferably take at least 3 measurements across each end.

What kind of hoops are they? Have you taken measurements to check if they're out of round. Lay them on a flat surface to see if there's any distortion.

When you say "lug screws"......are you talking about the screws which attach the lugs to the shell or the bolts which hold the hoops on, these are commonly known as "tension rods".

center to center on the torque rod holes of a 16" taye hoop is 16- 31/32"
the hoop is a 1/4" in diameter too small!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HiString]

Originally Posted by etneccas

center to center on the torque rod holes of a 16" taye hoop is 16- 31/32"
the hoop is a 1/4" in diameter too small!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, this is why I asked for shell measurements as well. I just measured some 16" single flange hoops I have here and they are identical to the figure you have given which takes us back to the shell dimensions. I should add that the correct shell outside diameter for your 16" is actually 15 7/8".

I have never seen or heard of hoops being out of spec BUT I have encountered numerous shells which were either out of round or the wrong diameter. If Taye are sourcing their shells from o/seas rather than from Keller then it is quite possible that that's where the problem is.

[etneccas]

Originally Posted by HiString

OK, this is why I asked for shell measurements as well. I just measured some 16" single flange hoops I have here and they are identical to the figure you have given which takes us back to the shell dimensions. I should add that the correct shell outside diameter for your 16" is actually 15 7/8".

I have never seen or heard of hoops being out of spec BUT I have encountered numerous shells which were either out of round or the wrong diameter. If Taye are sourcing their shells from o/seas rather than from Keller then it is quite possible that that's where the problem is.

The 16" tom is 15 7/8 to 15 15/16" O.D. meas. across and 90 degrees at 3 different locations.
The center of the each lug nut(tension rod nut) to the o.d. of the shell is 5/8"
basically placing the center holes of a matching hoop at 17 1/8" to 17 5/32"
The taye hoop is center to center 16 31/32"

[HiString]

So what you're seeing is that instead of running parallel to the shell, the t/rods have to angle out to the threaded ferrulle in the lugs. While it's not ideal, it's not that uncommon and may or may not be a problem.

Based on what you've said, the issue appears to be centred around the lugs..........if they have "nylon" seating washers, they may be too thick otherwise it's likely to be the actual lug dimensions. Later on I'll check a couple of varieties of lugs I have here.

[Chunkaway]

Originally Posted by HiString

OK, this is why I asked for shell measurements as well. I just measured some 16" single flange hoops I have here and they are identical to the figure you have given which takes us back to the shell dimensions. I should add that the correct shell outside diameter for your 16" is actually 15 7/8".

I have never seen or heard of hoops being out of spec BUT I have encountered numerous shells which were either out of round or the wrong diameter. If Taye are sourcing their shells from o/seas rather than from Keller then it is quite possible that that's where the problem is.

Just wanted to say I have purchased a Pork Pie kit and a new Luddy kit that had out of round hoops. The drums themselves were fine, but the hoops were closer to the drum in some spots than others, making the drum hard to tune. How do I know this? I have an Ayotte kit with round hoops- I measured- and they fit perfectly on both the Pork Pie and the Luddy. Out of round hoops do happen, albeit, not very frequently.

[PureRockFury]

Interesting post for sure.

I just wanted to make sure you know modern drums are undersized, considerably at that.

a 16" drum is not 16"..it's actually 15 7/8. The same goes for all modern drums, in some instances, keller shells are even more so undersized.