nice lug lock for drums...

Kris · 14th July 2004, 02:58 PM

check out the ...

http://www.keanelok.com/

denial · 15th July 2004, 06:59 AM

I'm really surprised that no-one has nailed this product yet and I don't think this is it either. Sonor is probably the closest with their signature drum lugs and tension rods which rotate in half turns.

Sold in packs of 3 is ok but surely you're gonna need more so why not at least a pack of 10.

The main problem I have with this design and the original lug-lock is that you have to take it off to tune the lug. At least this one is made of something more durable.

Either way it is good to see someone trying to solve the problem.

LTA · 20th July 2004, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by denial
Sold in packs of 3 is ok but surely you're gonna need more so why not at least a pack of 10.

The main problem I have with this design and the original lug-lock is that you have to take it off to tune the lug. At least this one is made of something more durable.

The thing is, rimshots will only loosen the 2 or 3 lugs on a snare near where the stick is hitting the rim. You don't need to put such an ungainly device on every lug of a drum. Plus, it doesn't seem to have the precision adjusting capabilities of the nylon lug locks. Its a more expensive mouse trap.

If only you could put some viscous goo into the lug threads to keep the rods from spinning when the friction from the pressure is removed when the hoop is depressed. Or maybe a nylon insert placed in the lug that has an interference fit with the tension rod.

nasty · 20th July 2004, 05:25 PM

I use the nylon luglocks but I've got a drumtech book that suggests this stuff called locktite.It's basically a goo like you were talking about that's meant for keeping screw threads tight.You can get it at homedepot.The guy that wrote the book said you should only use the light and medium strength version though because the heavy version may not come undone.I personally don't want to put that stuff in my lugs.It seems like it would be a mess.
DW makes some luglocks that you actually insert into the slots of the rims but I didn't like them either.I like to first finger-tighten all the tension rods before I start tuning them up so I know I'm not stretching the head too much one way or the other.The dw locks make it hard to tell how tight the rods are.

LTA · 25th July 2004, 05:22 AM

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Originally posted by nasty
I use the nylon luglocks but I've got a drumtech book that suggests this stuff called locktite.

Id like to guess what that book is, but then everybody else would buy it and i'd be out of a job. 12 years of experience, and then tony writes a book about what i had partially stumbled upon well prior to 2001. At least I was able to make my approach more methodical (and thus far far far quicker and more repeatable).

The book that keeps on giving :) If you don't get it, or don't agree with it, you weren't ready for it. Lots of stuff hidden between the lines (although they stick out like a sore thumb once you realize what it means). Lots of experience hidden in that deadpanned sarcasm.

nasty · 25th July 2004, 05:32 PM

That's the one!

heinz · 25th July 2004, 06:38 PM

I've destroyed snare drums playing in metal bands, where it's a rimshot for EVERY hit with a 2B.

Tama owes me bigtime for all the time I've spent rebuilding their sh*t to actually work for more than one show at a time. Some drums have good industrial lug design, others have crap as if they'll only get used for the Bolero.

These keane locks look ok except I'd be concerned about them flying off and bifurcating my eye during a performance.

locktite is fun but turns the drum into a sticky mess. When you have to fly heads on & off in a hurry a few times a day that stuff sucks to deal with.

The only solution I've found is to have multiple snares tuned up, and at the end of the day reset them all. sucks.

**toolskid** · 26th July 2004, 01:23 AM

check out the TRICK CAD/CAM KODIAK snare. Bored from a tube of solid aluminium. Seamless - just over 1/2" thick - super resonant and controllable - with cast rims its a beast and holds its tuning better than any other snare i've played (and i'm saying this as an endorser of a seriously good brand and owner of loads of snares). They do have a particular focused crisp, LOUD sound, but it could work in a metal context. Got mine in the states, so you should be cool to try one out if you haven't already. Its def. not my first call studio snare , but I do use it live quite often!

http://www.trickdrums.com/

cdog · 26th July 2004, 07:22 PM

That all aluminum kit looks crazy loud! BOOOM! CRACK!

I use these tiny square plastic locks - they're smaller than a dime with a peg hole in the middle. They work fine and cost basically nothing.

After the skin gets broken in the lugs spin down mostly because of vibration of the rim - this fixes that entirely and now I have to retune quite rarely.

I put them on all the toms too after they get broken in for an hour and the tuning is settled.

**toolskid** · 27th July 2004, 08:17 PM

SOOOOOOO LOOOUD

heinz · 27th July 2004, 09:34 PM

man that cnc metal work is insane

thanks for the trick link!

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denial Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 497	I'm really surprised that no-one has nailed this product yet and I don't think this is it either. Sonor is probably the closest with their signature drum lugs and tension rods which rotate in half turns. Sold in packs of 3 is ok but surely you're gonna need more so why not at least a pack of 10. The main problem I have with this design and the original lug-lock is that you have to take it off to tune the lug. At least this one is made of something more durable. Either way it is good to see someone trying to solve the problem. __________________ "Fix it in the marketing"

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20th July 2004, 05:25 PM	#4
nasty Gear nut Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 141	I use the nylon luglocks but I've got a drumtech book that suggests this stuff called locktite.It's basically a goo like you were talking about that's meant for keeping screw threads tight.You can get it at homedepot.The guy that wrote the book said you should only use the light and medium strength version though because the heavy version may not come undone.I personally don't want to put that stuff in my lugs.It seems like it would be a mess. DW makes some luglocks that you actually insert into the slots of the rims but I didn't like them either.I like to first finger-tighten all the tension rods before I start tuning them up so I know I'm not stretching the head too much one way or the other.The dw locks make it hard to tell how tight the rods are.

25th July 2004, 05:32 PM	#6
nasty Gear nut Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 141	That's the one!

25th July 2004, 06:38 PM	#7
heinz Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 1,011	I've destroyed snare drums playing in metal bands, where it's a rimshot for EVERY hit with a 2B. Tama owes me bigtime for all the time I've spent rebuilding their sh*t to actually work for more than one show at a time. Some drums have good industrial lug design, others have crap as if they'll only get used for the Bolero. These keane locks look ok except I'd be concerned about them flying off and bifurcating my eye during a performance. locktite is fun but turns the drum into a sticky mess. When you have to fly heads on & off in a hurry a few times a day that stuff sucks to deal with. The only solution I've found is to have multiple snares tuned up, and at the end of the day reset them all. sucks.

26th July 2004, 01:23 AM	#8
toolskid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 2,123	check out the TRICK CAD/CAM KODIAK snare. Bored from a tube of solid aluminium. Seamless - just over 1/2" thick - super resonant and controllable - with cast rims its a beast and holds its tuning better than any other snare i've played (and i'm saying this as an endorser of a seriously good brand and owner of loads of snares). They do have a particular focused crisp, LOUD sound, but it could work in a metal context. Got mine in the states, so you should be cool to try one out if you haven't already. Its def. not my first call studio snare , but I do use it live quite often! http://www.trickdrums.com/

26th July 2004, 07:22 PM	#9
cdog Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,219	That all aluminum kit looks crazy loud! BOOOM! CRACK! I use these tiny square plastic locks - they're smaller than a dime with a peg hole in the middle. They work fine and cost basically nothing. After the skin gets broken in the lugs spin down mostly because of vibration of the rim - this fixes that entirely and now I have to retune quite rarely. I put them on all the toms too after they get broken in for an hour and the tuning is settled.

27th July 2004, 08:17 PM	#10
toolskid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 2,123	SOOOOOOO LOOOUD

27th July 2004, 09:34 PM	#11
heinz Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 1,011	man that cnc metal work is insane thanks for the trick link!