puresound wires info

[orange]

hi,

I'm gonna try some puresound snare wires on an old yamaha recording custom snare and I'm trying to get some info on sizes.

I'ts a 14 inch snare and the original wires extended beyond the edge of the head - so anybody know the sizes of the puresound stuff and what would be suitable. I've tried emailing several times but they don't answer, and the new website is pretty poor - I seem to remember it being better before they were bought by d'addario

[Nutmeg II.]

Originally Posted by orange

hi,

I'm gonna try some puresound snare wires on an old yamaha recording custom snare and I'm trying to get some info on sizes.

I'ts a 14 inch snare and the original wires extended beyond the edge of the head - so anybody know the sizes of the puresound stuff and what would be suitable. I've tried emailing several times but they don't answer, and the new website is pretty poor - I seem to remember it being better before they were bought by d'addario

You might find what you need on the puresound site under vintage, if you know the exact type of snare you have.

[orange]

from what I can tell none of the vintage ones are right....

BUT - i checked the old version of the site at Internet Archive
and it looks like they do one for the pearl 'free floating' which might fit the bill. I tried emailing again

The new site is cr*p - if you look at the old one there was advice/info, video and audio clips etc etc. All of that has gone.

AND - the prices in the UK are hilarious. I need also need a couple of premiere 2000 snare wires - in the UK £45 ($90) in the US $35

[biggator6]

I hear ya,
I have a set of the 2000-series snares on the way.. expensive, but what's the option.
DM Drums in the UK has the original Premier replacement snares cheaper - but the Puresounds really are better than pretty much anything else.

[orange]

yeah, DM drums are the ones doing the puresounds for £45.

are you getting the 'split/offset' type or the full version ?

I did hear a rumour that Premier are stopping production of the 2000 series wires, but checking the Premier website I notice that they still have a 2000-type snare in production - so who knows ?

[biggator6]

I'm getting the regular ones, from my local drumshop (makes no sense for me to order that from DM!)..

I'll let you know how they sound - they're going on a Black Shadow that I found in a shop for not very much money.. it was missing the throwoff lever (replaced now), and they thought it was some sort of strange marching drum.
"-)

[orange]

look forward to hearing your opinion on them.

I've got 2 old premier snares. One them has an 'offset' type snare and the other has an even older type which is a bit odd. It's actually two completely seperate 9 wire snares (IIRC) but they don't sit on the head very well. In fact both sets of wires are getting a bit tired.

[biggator6]

as a quick update on this - if you ordered those puresounds (or rather, a shop ordered them for you) - go back and have them reordered. Apparently when Evans took over, any outstanding orders basically got wiped - so my local shop just reordered them for me.

FYI - they also told him that the vintage series wires are uncommon enough that they're made to order, so it takes a couple of weeks once the order is actually in the system.

[orange]

I bought some last week - in the UK, the distributor had them in stock so only took a couple of days to get to me. Got them from 'rockem music' - who are highly recommended.

Well, they are a bit drier than the original snares as there are less wires - but they are beautifully made, nice and accurate. I hate adjusting the flobeam parallel strainer and the puresounds took even longer to set than the originals (??). The old snares were a little worn and the puresounds are better...but not by as much as I hoped.

I bought two different types for the 2000 snares - the standard and the 'equaliser' type.....I'd stick to the standard in future.

I bought a set for the recording custom snare. They 'just about' fit fine. Had to do a bit of messing about to get them to sit on the head correctly (another extended snare mechanism) - but working fine also. Again, less wires than the original, so a bit drier (too dry?)

PS - despite many, many emails, puresound NEVER got back to me - pretty poor I thought.

[biggator6]

If you find some of those levelling screws for the Flobeam snare wires - let me know. I bought the last 4 that DM Drums had - and customs helped themselves to them in transit. NO idea why customs would remove 4 tiny screws from a package and send the package along empty, but Mike at DM says it happens on a fairly regular basis.

One of mine - the head partially broke.. it will still hold the snare wires, but I have to adjust it with needlenose pliers now instead of a screwdriver. I'd love to get the thing up to 100%, but if I can't find more screws.. I can make it work.

[orange]

I might have some somewhere - i'll have to have a dig around.

It's quite a fine thread - but it won't unique to the flobeam. Probably an old imperial size. I would think you should be able to get something to fit.

[biggator6]

Here in the states - Premier isn't QUITE as common and popular as some other brands (ludwig, rogers, slingerland) for older drums.. finding parts for Premiers is, um, a bit of a chore. I have a full set of Signias as well - I love them, but I hope I never need to find a part.

I may bring one to a local machine shop and see if they can make me a bunch of them for a reasonable price - then I can get new ones - and make a bunch of extras for other Flobeam players in the states.
"-)

[orange]

There are people in the UK who would lynch me for saying it, but the flobeam system is sh*t. I don't know what kind of metal they 'forged' the snare restraining bracket (that the screws go into) - but it's slightly softer than cheese. That's why you can't get them anymore cos everybody is replacing them.

As you say, premier stuff is very common in the UK (obviously), but the quality isn't up to much IMO. It's got a lot of character though !

It's a bit like British cars from the 70s - in general not a good decade for British industry.

Mind you, the rumour is that Yamaha bought them just so they could get there hands on premier's chrome plating technology - and some of the recording custom stuff was made by premier.

[biggator6]

the flobeam system is sh*t

funny, you're not the first person to mention that.

It definitely is a bit dodgy, but it sure seems like it'll be a sweet sounding drum when it's all put back together - and I don't have much into it (about $125 so far, plus the new snares and heads)
"-)

[biggator6]

Well - I got the puresounds.. and threw some new heads on the Shadow. Adjusting that Flobeam is a pain in the butt, but we got it tweaked.

This big ol' hunk of birch has some GIRTH.. this is a nice, dry, woody sound - but with a big, fat bottom to it. The sound has some serious meat to it. Can't wait to record it.
"-)