Best Tom Mufflers? - Page 2

biggator6 · 28th December 2007

For those who are concerned about moon gel falling off, why not use a little gaffer's tape and tape the gel down? or perhaps, you'd be concerned about the gaffer's tape falling off as well - so you could use some duct tape to hold down the gaffer's tape which holds down the moon gel.

..but I digress

everybody's x · 23rd February 2008

spray the zero rings with pam, "bye bye buzz"

be sure to wipe them off after the session

peeder · 23rd February 2008

I was hoping the gearslut who I introduced moongels to over 10 years ago would post so I could give him hell about where he got that info!

(Bion, I still have those same moongels, and they still work)

nicpope · 23rd February 2008

Plain old gaffers tape.

Goliath|Audio · 23rd February 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeq

Maxi-pads

Heh... I remember back in my touring times we had that on a bass drum. Thought it was stupid, but it worked... I can't argue with the drum instructor on that one, he would have beat my ass.

When it comes to drum set in the studio, good tuning = no need for damping.

chrisso · 28th February 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goliath|Audio

When it comes to drum set in the studio, good tuning = no need for damping.

Damping is not a cure for bad tuning, it's a way to mould the sound.

If you look at pictures of the top players in the studio, there is often the odd bit of tape on the snare batter or on one or two of their toms.
Getting the right sound for the song is more important than sticking to a philosophy or following a strict set of rules.

nicpope · 29th February 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goliath|Audio

When it comes to drum set in the studio, good tuning = no need for damping.

Man, I did live sound for Jimmy Cobb one time, and the dude taped a washcloth to the outside of his kick drum head. I just don't think it matters as long as it sounds good.

pan · 29th February 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by everybody's x

spray the zero rings with pam, "bye bye buzz"

be sure to wipe them off after the session

Sorry, but what is pam? - enlighten a european!

Dimes · 29th February 2008

You really should not need to muffle, the sound will be much better if the drums are tuned well. I've found Muffling is like a band aid for not so great tuning... Maybe try putting a band aid on there for a muffle.

e

chrisso · 3rd March 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimes

You really should not need to muffle, the sound will be much better if the drums are tuned well.

If the song requires a slightly 'muffled' sound, the sound will be much better if you slightly 'muffle'.

Padje · 3rd March 2008

Dampening is an addition to a wel tuned kit. Sometimes the kit gives too much ...

Moongel can be a solution or carefully placed gaffa tape.
Like said before, there are no rules.

Maybe you can change skins, but sometimes that's a little bit too drastic.

I prefer dampening the drum a bit, than FOH engineer using gates in a way that finesse is lost somewhere beneath the treshold of the gate.

everybody's x · 4th March 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by pan

Sorry, but what is pam? - enlighten a european!

ha ha

Pam is a non-stick cooking spray, I don't know a euro equivalent

peeder · 4th March 2008

Better to put decent vegetable oil into a reusable sprayer thing than buy a pressurized can.

Goliath|Audio · 4th March 2008

I guess I touched a nerve with the other camp on this. The right heads, the right drums, good tuning and a good player...... leave that other crap off the drum.

Beyersound · 4th March 2008

NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drum tech to Simon Phillips: "the drums are very ringy today" Simon: "Thank god!"

tutt

orange · 4th March 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goliath|Audio

I guess I touched a nerve with the other camp on this. The right heads, the right drums, good tuning and a good player...... leave that other crap off the drum.

No nerve problems here cos that's just an OPINION. Depends on the sound you're looking for.

In response to the original poster - I like moongel on toms, zero-rings on snare.

chrisso · 4th March 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goliath|Audio

I guess I touched a nerve with the other camp on this. The right heads, the right drums, good tuning and a good player...... leave that other crap off the drum.

No nerve touched here either, but once you've worked on a number of albums with a number of producer/engineers you learn to be more flexible.
Drummers who stick hard and fast to certain rules sometimes find themselves replaced on the final album release, or more often than not never hired in the first place.

peeder · 4th March 2008

ONLY PLAY LES PAULS, NEVER TELE'S!

oops wrong thread

bigbone · 4th March 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisso

No nerve touched here either, but once you've worked on a number of albums with a number of producer/engineers you learn to be more flexible.
Drummers who stick hard and fast to certain rules sometimes find themselves replaced on the final album release, or more often than not never hired in the first place.

Ditto for that one..it's better than a box of moongels.........

I guess that advice is coming from a cats that seen a few session..)

rico52 · 13th April 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goliath|Audio

When it comes to drum set in the studio, good tuning = no need for damping.

chrisso · 13th April 2008

It has nothing to do with good or bad tuning.tutt

SighBorg · 13th April 2008

Moongel on racks. Tape on floor tom.... more chest. Didnt like rings on toms for some reason.

Why did I read that as "Tom Muffins"?

Come to think of it I have a new product idea...

tamakid1292 · 13th April 2008

If you get good heads and you tune good you wont need a muffler
I have evans ec2's coated try them out.

chrisso · 14th April 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by tamakid1292

If you get good heads and you tune good you wont need a muffler

You would need it if you want that sound.

softwareguy · 14th April 2008

Jeez, guys, I think both sides are right.

You do have to know how to tune the darn things to get what you are after, e.g., if you want a short, tight note out of your toms, you should tune top and bottom to the same pitch.

However, sometimes the song wants a descending/ascending/whatever pitch, or a pitch that creates sympathetic resonance problems with other drums, etc., or there is a ring or resonance that is just naturally too long and loose sounding. Then, my friend, grab your moongels and kleenex, cause you've just gotta do what ya gotta do!

Hazer · 1st May 2008

It's not about tuning, IMO. Sometimes there's a small inconsistency in the head, sometimes it's easier to find a sound you like and slap a moongel on to tame a small overtone than spend half an hour tuning it out to get a shitty but clean sound. I prefer not to muffle, but it's unavoidable when you're using G1's on a kit with sharp bearing edges and light hoops, and using a different head would kill the desired sound.

23rd February 2008	#32
everybody's x Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2004 Location: kansas city Posts: 1,618	spray the zero rings with pam, "bye bye buzz" be sure to wipe them off after the session __________________ Dave

4th March 2008	#45
Beyersound Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2007 Location: Vegas, Norcal Posts: 3,608	NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Drum tech to Simon Phillips: "the drums are very ringy today" Simon: "Thank god!" tutt __________________ Congratulations 2010 World Champion SF Giants!!! "There is no crying in baseball, there are no rules in recording!!!" www.myspace.com/beyeraudio Michael Beyer

13th April 2008	#52
SighBorg Gear addict Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 486	Moongel on racks. Tape on floor tom.... more chest. Didnt like rings on toms for some reason. Why did I read that as "Tom Muffins"? Come to think of it I have a new product idea... __________________ "The 160VU is like ordering a nice drink but instead of serving you a drink, the waiter punches you in the face........." -nlc201

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28th December 2007	#31
biggator6 Lives for gear Joined: May 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,979	For those who are concerned about moon gel falling off, why not use a little gaffer's tape and tape the gel down? or perhaps, you'd be concerned about the gaffer's tape falling off as well - so you could use some duct tape to hold down the gaffer's tape which holds down the moon gel. ..but I digress

23rd February 2008	#33
peeder Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2006 Location: No longer participating here. Posts: 6,705	I was hoping the gearslut who I introduced moongels to over 10 years ago would post so I could give him hell about where he got that info! (Bion, I still have those same moongels, and they still work)

23rd February 2008	#34
nicpope Gear addict Joined: Jul 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 430	Plain old gaffers tape.

29th February 2008	#39
Dimes Gear maniac Joined: Sep 2006 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 239	You really should not need to muffle, the sound will be much better if the drums are tuned well. I've found Muffling is like a band aid for not so great tuning... Maybe try putting a band aid on there for a muffle. e

3rd March 2008	#41
Padje Gear nut Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 146	Dampening is an addition to a wel tuned kit. Sometimes the kit gives too much ... Moongel can be a solution or carefully placed gaffa tape. Like said before, there are no rules. Maybe you can change skins, but sometimes that's a little bit too drastic. I prefer dampening the drum a bit, than FOH engineer using gates in a way that finesse is lost somewhere beneath the treshold of the gate.

4th March 2008	#44
Goliath\|Audio Lives for gear Joined: Nov 2006 Location: ∑∆ Posts: 1,553	I guess I touched a nerve with the other camp on this. The right heads, the right drums, good tuning and a good player...... leave that other crap off the drum.

13th April 2008	#51
chrisso Gear Guru Joined: Oct 2002 Location: Oz Posts: 16,836	It has nothing to do with good or bad tuning.tutt

13th April 2008	#53
tamakid1292 Gear addict Joined: Jan 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 498	If you get good heads and you tune good you wont need a muffler I have evans ec2's coated try them out.

14th April 2008	#55
softwareguy Lives for gear Joined: Oct 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 816	Jeez, guys, I think both sides are right. You do have to know how to tune the darn things to get what you are after, e.g., if you want a short, tight note out of your toms, you should tune top and bottom to the same pitch. However, sometimes the song wants a descending/ascending/whatever pitch, or a pitch that creates sympathetic resonance problems with other drums, etc., or there is a ring or resonance that is just naturally too long and loose sounding. Then, my friend, grab your moongels and kleenex, cause you've just gotta do what ya gotta do!

1st May 2008	#56
Hazer Gear Head Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 62	It's not about tuning, IMO. Sometimes there's a small inconsistency in the head, sometimes it's easier to find a sound you like and slap a moongel on to tame a small overtone than spend half an hour tuning it out to get a shitty but clean sound. I prefer not to muffle, but it's unavoidable when you're using G1's on a kit with sharp bearing edges and light hoops, and using a different head would kill the desired sound.