17th October 2007
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#1 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter  | good Hats for rock?
I've got 3 sets of hats, and I'm looking to add another. The two 14" sets - K custom dark and Paiste traditional signature, lack enough stick defintion and sizzle for some of the heavier rock that I play. I love them for other music, but they don't do what I want for heavier stuff. The third hats are UFIP 13", rather bright and cutting, but not washy and full. I also have a 14" A custom projection top and hate it, and some old 12" bop hats from the 50's (which are great for certain things).
I haven't bought or tried other hats for quite awhile. Any recommendations? 15's would be ok and I'd spend up to $500.
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17th October 2007
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#2 | | Jai guru deva om
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14" New Beats rock in my opinion.
War
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17th October 2007
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#3 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by warhead  14" New Beats rock in my opinion.
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18th October 2007
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#4 | | Gear addict
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I've got a pair of 14" K Custom Dark hats and they sound very good but I recently got a pair of 14" Constantinople hats and they're easily the best sounding hats I've heard over the past 15 years of playing.
They're bright without ever being bright, produce excellent stick definition with a very "controlled" sound whether it be half open sloshy or fully closed. Great balance of definition, volume and clarity of notes (even from footed hat too which I've never felt before). I'm extremely impressed with them and now I don't feel any need for other hi-hats in the studio. Most importantly, they record beautifully and cover most styles of music.
Looking for a ride to match now?
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18th October 2007
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#5 | | Gear nut
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Stick definition? Paiste Rude Soundedge. But they're hard to make bark.
A little less brash, and a nicer open sound? Paiste 2002 or Dimensions Soundedge.
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18th October 2007
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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I have a set of Paiste Signature "Power Hats" (power somethin' anyhow).
They chirp like nothing else.
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18th October 2007
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by warhead 14" New Beats rock in my opinion.
War | I've never given New Beats a go on my kit, but so many drummers I respect use them. Definitely will be a contender.
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18th October 2007
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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Paiste Rude! I had an 18" Rude crash/ride back in the day that was a gongy, trashy and brittle beast, but alot of fun to bash on. Worth a try, but I'd be worried about cracking them. They seem like they might work with some of the heavy guitar laden music I play.
I'll try them and the other Paistes mentioned. Thanks for the ideas!
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18th October 2007
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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I had great fun replacing a K HH top with a 14" A crash.
Much more topend, stick and wash.
Make sure to try different combinations of the stuff you got allready.
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19th October 2007
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#10 | | Gear Guru
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Originally Posted by Jax I've never given New Beats a go on my kit, but so many drummers I respect use them. | No brainer IMO.
Or just some basic A Zildjian 14" hi-hats from the 60's or 70's.
I own some very expensive hi-hats (new and vintage), but my $100 old A's I got off Ebay win most shoot outs. I'm not sure if they are specifically 'New Beats' or not. I'm pretty sure they date from the 70's though.
Lot's of people seem to like the new Armand 14" hats too.
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19th October 2007
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#11 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by chrisso Or just some basic A Zildjian 14" hi-hats from the 60's or 70's. | I have a pair of 14" new beats from the early 80's. Really good! Quote:
Originally Posted by Jax I also have a 14" A custom projection top and hate it |
Really, I love mine. They are a real contrast to the K's and really different from the new beats. YMMV.
FWIW, my next hihat purchase is going to be a pair of 14" A Mastersound's.
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19th October 2007
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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I too have many hats...too many to even remember unless I open up my inventory spreadsheet. Yeah, it's that bad.
My favs for loud rock....probably my favs overall, but the worst possible name of all time. The Istanbul Funky Rock 14" hats. A close second is my old 14" Paiste 602 hats. I really dig my 13" K pair, but they're too small for loud rock...which is about all I play these days.
later,
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19th October 2007
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by flail19 I have a pair of 14" new beats from the early 80's. Really good! | i've got 2 sets of 80's 14in new beats, and they record just fine. they sound a little different from each other, and i've had good results mixing in 14in A crashes with em too. Quote: |
Originally Posted by flail19 FWIW, my next hihat purchase is going to be a pair of 14" A Mastersound's. | funny that......my next hihat purchase is going to be a set of 13in A Mastersounds.
i don't like the A Custom Mastersounds at all. too bright and tinny for me. but i like the "regular" A Mastersounds a whole lot.
cheers,
wade
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20th October 2007
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#14 | | Gear interested
Joined: Oct 2007 Location: SoCal
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No Doubt-----14" New Beats! Terry Date style. Super crisp, light and not heavy(or vice versa) for the dynamic-ness of it all. For me it does depend on how thay are mic'd and then played. Rock, my go to!!!
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20th October 2007
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#15 | | Lives for gear
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Really??? I LOVE my Sabian AAX Stage Hats in the mix super bright and well defined.
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27th October 2007
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#16 | | Gear addict
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+1 for the 14" New Beats....
I also played some 14" Zildjian Armand series hats the other day and they were sweet. Maybe my next set...
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27th October 2007
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#17 | | Gear addict
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did your try changing sticks up? might be a cheaper solution.
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27th October 2007
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#18 | | Lives for gear
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Yeah, the sticks aren't the problem. I've used a few different models/makes (747, 5A, 5B, HD9, 3A... Vic Firth, Promark), nylon and wood tip since I've had these hats. They just don't do the heavy rock thing.
I'll be trying New Beats soon. For $100, there was a pair from the early 80's on craigslist recently, but I didn't have time to check them out.
And to Nutmeg - I've tried probably every combination of the hats I do have, even with the 12" over and under all of the 14"s. My reaction - where's the rock? ? ?
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27th October 2007
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#19 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by Jax My reaction - where's the rock? ? ? | This quote made me think....
maybe you should try a pair of 13" K/Z hats. (K top, Dyno beat bottom, I think)
I use these with my heavy rock band, and there is no mistaking where the rock is. They are loud, though. Makes recording interesting.
I like them a LOT for live use. They really cut through. For recording, I'd rather use the New Beats or the aforementioned Armand series.
Oh yeah, for sticks, the Vic Firth Danny Carey sig. model sticks are the shiznit.
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28th October 2007
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#20 | | Lives for gear
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New Beats here for rock. They are generally low in pitch though so if you really want the sizzle swap the top one out for something else.
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28th October 2007
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#21 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Jax ...My reaction - where's the rock? ? ? | You do drugs now?   | |
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28th October 2007
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#22 | | Gearslutz.com admin
Joined: Apr 2002 Location: A Yank in London, UK | Quote:
Originally Posted by Jax
I'll be trying New Beats soon. For $100, there was a pair from the early 80's on craigslist recently, but I didn't have time to check them out.
| Vintage New Beats (1970's?) = my favorite, the older ones seem a little quieter, rounded, less sharp... 
If you can find a pair that is..
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28th October 2007
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#23 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by Jules Vintage New Beats (1970's?) = my favorite, the older ones seem a little quieter, rounded, less sharp...
If you can find a pair that is.. | ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!
You reminded me of something I have tried so hard to forget.
About a year ago there was a set of 70's New Beats on ebay that I watched for days. I watched them for the last hour, and two minutes before the end of the freaking bidding, my internet connection failed and took ten minutes to get back, and the hats had sold for $112!!!
I sh*t on $112!!! I would've paid $150. I was (and am again) so pissed.
Just thought I'd vent.
If you find some, make sure you have a reliable freaking internet connection.
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31st October 2007
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#24 | | Lives for gear
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I just picked up a set of 70's new beats for a reasonable price off ebay - sound great (they will be going with my soon-to-be-here Premier Signia maples)..
The new Armand hats are designed to sound a lot like the 70s new beats.. a little darker and mellower than the current new beats, probably good to record.
Mastersounds - I like.. but they're LOUD!
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4th November 2007
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#25 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jun 2007 Location: Pittsburgh
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| I've always played 14" New Beats until recently. I felt I needed a change and went in to a major drum store and tried about 15 different pairs from Zilj, Paiste and Sabian. I ended up buying a pair of 15" New Beats and absolutely love em. The great thing about New Beats is that they work for every style of music. You can go from Dave Grohl to Art Blakey. | |
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4th November 2007
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#26 | | Lives for gear
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4th November 2007
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#27 | | Gear interested
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4th November 2007
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#28 | | Lives for gear
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The Meinl's sound very cool! I might have to pick up a pair. My impression from the clip is they will work for many styles, and are probably the most versatile pair of cymbals I've seen. Impressive! It didn't hurt that Benny Greb is one hell of a drummer.
It doesn't sound like they'd be best suited for heavy rock, but they sound great for many other styles.
Thanks for the head's up! thumbsup
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5th November 2007
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#29 | | Gear interested
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Yeah, I think they sound cool, too. Plus the versatility. Also, one could combine the 12" top with any of what you already have or one of your 14" (or smaller) hats with the 14 Meinl trashy/china bottom. Gotta love options! I wish I had someplace local where I could try them.
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10th November 2007
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#30 | | Lives for gear
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Had to post on the hats thread here....
I just found a killer pair of old Zildjian Istanbul K 14" hats today. They're very dark and washy, but just might become my favs. Haven't had a chance to do much more than put them up and play for about 2 minutes, but they're sounding really cool so far.
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