I want to buy hi-hats

[Etnier]

I'm so tired of getting sandbagged by hi-hat sets which scream their way into every mic that I'm just about ready to buy a set of my own, to gently suggest as a session swap in difficult cases.

Recommendations???

[scrubs]

Sounds like you have a problem with drummers hitting the hats too hard, not so much a problem with the hats, themselves. That said, having a decent pair of New Beats around would serve you well.

[Nu-tra]

Raise the hat level in the drummers headphone mix so he plays em softer!

[cosmos]

you might want to try and post it in the drum forums, anyway, i find the A custum 13' mastersound to be sweeeet sounding hat for recording . try it .

[Etnier]

Originally Posted by cosmos

you might want to try and post it in the drum forums,

Oh.
There's a drum forum.


Sorry.
But please, folks: post on.

[Kris]

Your best bet would be to go to the drum store and hit everything they have... see what moves you... as for an actual recommendation, +1 for what cosmos said.

[Flymax]

K custom dark might be mellower...

[zaczac]

Interesting idea Nu-tru and will be sure to give it a go.

[redddog]

Great trick Nutra. Gotta love us dumb musician types. We're so stoooopid.

I love it.

Another vote for vintage new beats. I got a pair of vintage 14" NBs on ebay for $125. They are fantastic.

[reido113]

Give the drummer(s) a John Bonham speech...
He would play his cymbals (H.H. included) softer than he played the drums and the engineers would love the headroom that gives. It is very good practice for a drummer as well.
Or like what was said already... turn up all that stuff in the headphones. TeeHeee....

[chrisj]

That makes two of us SELLING new beats, and two of us recommending A Custom Mastersounds...

The reason I sold my New Beats- and they were fantastic, they're really great- is specifically because they were so hard and aggressive sounding. They were like "HEY! HI-HAT! YEAH!". They hit up in the upper mids and highs, real bright, again very hard-sounding, and LOUD.

I got A Custom Mastersounds (14" actually) because I found a pair in a store, used, and I've done some analysis of spectral content and transient attack behavior in cymbals, analysis using sonograms on cymbal example sounds I got off the internet. One thing about the A Custom Mastersounds is, they're a lot softer. They hit fullrange, not just in the upper mids- you get a sense of lower frequencies off them without losing the super bright range. Because of the lower frequency energy, the attacks are more balanced and don't get that 'hard' feeling.

It's almost like different approaches to drum kit internal mixing- you can get stuff like New Beats and piccolo snares and try to confine instruments to narrow frequency ranges so they stay 'out of the way' of other stuff, or you can get the A Custom Mastersounds and tune snares lower and go for a sound where each instrument can provide rhythmic propulsion across the full frequency range, even the hi-hat, sort of.

Does that help? For God's sake don't get New Beats if you want to notice the hats less. They are pretty hard to ignore- that's what's GOOD about them. The nice thing about the A Customs is they're softer, but they totally don't sound like trash can lids so it's unlikely a drummer will be pissed off at using them- if you get something TOO dark, you might upset drummers who know what hats are supposed to sound like, and efforts to explain that they record differently aren't going to fly.

[mltamisin]

Thinner hats might be better in your case. The thicker the hats the louder they are. I use a pair of traditional Bosphorus hats and they're very nice. I've got an older heavier pair of New Beats and they're considerably louder. Paiste Signature reflector hats are really nice, but I prefer Paiste's signature series to almost any other cymbal. I like the idea of just turning up the hats in his mix. You don't even need to record it. Just put a mic on the hat and send it through the board to his phones.

[emfrank72]

I have a pair of 14" mastersounds and every drummer that has used them has really dug 'em.

[AllAboutTone]

Does not help when drummer uses tree trunks.

[Nu-tra]

I was always told mastersounds were louder because of way the bottom hat edges are bent. Would 13's still rock or 14's better. I have new beats that are about 9 years old but man they can sound like trash cans for sure. I want a clean sound without the brashness.

[reido113]

Originally Posted by Nu-tra

I was always told mastersounds were louder because of way the bottom hat edges are bent. Would 13's still rock or 14's better. I have new beats that are about 9 years old but man they can sound like trash cans for sure. I want a clean sound without the brashness.

Have you tried the New beats on the bottom and a matersound on top?
That should have a nice chic to it as well. Maybe even reverse 'em.?.

[cosmos]

does anyone use the A.C 12' recording hats ? im realy looking into that ...

I had the new beats, they are LOUD in my room, but very nice hats, just dident fit me ... the 13' A.C MS blend very nice in the mix and you can realy record many types of music with them.

i also have 13' K Mastersound which are darker then the A's, and they kick A$$.

they all good hats , you need to find what fits you music & style, you should go to a store and check them out before buying.

BUT if you want soft & high "chick", the 13' A's custom MS will fit ... i think.

hope it helps ..

[Rev. Robb]

Paiste 2002. 15" Sound Edge Hats

[Etnier]

Originally Posted by cosmos

does anyone use the A.C 12' recording hats ? im realy looking into that ... the 13' A.C MS blend very nice in the mix and you can realy record many types of music with them.

What does A.C. mean in this context, please?

[cosmos]

Originally Posted by Etnier

What does A.C. mean in this context, please?

A Custom.

[reido113]

Originally Posted by Etnier

What does A.C. mean in this context, please?

Zildjian "A" Custom

[w2w]

I have some great 15" 70's New Beats that sound great,and are also nice & dirty.I never clean my cymbals,which keeps em nice & mellow,you gotta get some dirt on em!!

I also have a few pairs of original Paiste black label 2002's,again,the dirt really gives a bit of softness to the sound.

Not to be all vintage blah blah blah,but older cymbals are really nice for recording.You can still find em a good prices on Ebay etc.

Check some out,they have a nice dry sound to em.THe Mastersounds are nice,but pretty thin.I cracked some K hihats & and a drummer just recently had a K Mastersound crash in on a session & it was the first time he used it & cracked that as well.I have never cracked a cymbal in my almost 26 years of playing & he is not a hard hitter either.THey sound really great,just lighten up on em.

[GravityRobert]

Whatever Vinnie Colaiuta uses... 14" A custom mastersounds

[numrologst]

Paiste 2002 sound edge are nice for the studio... I have a pair of those and they sound great, but don't get used much.

One of the dudes I use for drums has the new beats..> They sound okay and they definately don't stand out too much with a good drummer... But I really can't stand how they sound open and hit hard and crushing... They sound kind of cheap to me in that circumstance.

I use the sabian aax sudio hi hats the most. I am in love with the sound of these.

But I think it has more to do with the drummer than the hats

[Blindside]

Originally Posted by redddog

Great trick Nutra. Gotta love us dumb musician types. We're so stoooopid.

I love it.

Another vote for vintage new beats. I got a pair of vintage 14" NBs on ebay for $125. They are fantastic.

You BASTARD, did it happen to be a few months ago, because I was looking at some and my computer froze with 2 minutes left, and by the time I got it back up, bidding over. I was dying for those. They went for that price.

BTW, if you hadn't noticed, +1 on those

[Jules]

1 x vote for vintage New Beats

[Blast9]

Originally Posted by chrisj

That makes two of us SELLING new beats, and two of us recommending A Custom Mastersounds...

The reason I sold my New Beats- and they were fantastic, they're really great- is specifically because they were so hard and aggressive sounding. They were like "HEY! HI-HAT! YEAH!". They hit up in the upper mids and highs, real bright, again very hard-sounding, and LOUD.

I got A Custom Mastersounds (14" actually) because I found a pair in a store, used, and I've done some analysis of spectral content and transient attack behavior in cymbals, analysis using sonograms on cymbal example sounds I got off the internet. One thing about the A Custom Mastersounds is, they're a lot softer. They hit fullrange, not just in the upper mids- you get a sense of lower frequencies off them without losing the super bright range. Because of the lower frequency energy, the attacks are more balanced and don't get that 'hard' feeling.

It's almost like different approaches to drum kit internal mixing- you can get stuff like New Beats and piccolo snares and try to confine instruments to narrow frequency ranges so they stay 'out of the way' of other stuff, or you can get the A Custom Mastersounds and tune snares lower and go for a sound where each instrument can provide rhythmic propulsion across the full frequency range, even the hi-hat, sort of.

Does that help? For God's sake don't get New Beats if you want to notice the hats less. They are pretty hard to ignore- that's what's GOOD about them. The nice thing about the A Customs is they're softer, but they totally don't sound like trash can lids so it's unlikely a drummer will be pissed off at using them- if you get something TOO dark, you might upset drummers who know what hats are supposed to sound like, and efforts to explain that they record differently aren't going to fly.

Very interesting! Thats exactly why me and my drummer chose the 14"A Custom master sounds... Fat and masculine-sounding. Very balanced and nice musical lower pitch!

[worm]

how old are we talking for the good vintage new beats?

older the better?

[w2w]

how old are we talking for the good vintage new beats?

older the better?

70's,80's......nice & dirty!! .....I had a drummer bring in a pair of new ones
(15"s) and they sounded real nice....I prefer the 15"s,im not that crazy about the 14"s,especially the newer ones.....You can find em cheap on Ebay all the time.

[audible]

I would also vote for an older set of New Beats as well. Still nothing beats stick control.