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Best AD/DA Converter with Cubase

Curious to know who is using what with Cubase 6 or above on both Mac and PC.
I use RME myself but looking into other options at this stage.
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I'm in the camp of people thinking that AD/DA is all THAT important but my setup consists of: SSL MADIXtreme 64 card with an Alphalink MADI AX and added Creamware A16II for 24ch at 96k or 40ch at 44k.

Works perfectly but so does the Zoom R16 I use on my laptop to record 8ch rehearsal demos.




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Try the steinberg/yamaha stuff like the n12 and mr816csx. A lot of people have ditched their rme gear for this.

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Try the steinberg/yamaha stuff like the n12 and mr816csx. A lot of people have ditched their rme gear for this.

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Really not sure about your statement and I personally won't exchange my UFX even if you offer me 3 mr816csx....
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Try the steinberg/yamaha stuff like the n12 and mr816csx. A lot of people have ditched their rme gear for this.

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As a current MR816X owner Id have to say no to that.

1. The N12 is at the EOL for Yamaha
2. The problem with the MR and probably the UR stuff is if you are using Cubase and open Cubase, when you go back out of Cubase youll find all your faders in the MR console down at ZERO. So you turn on your interface thinking your going to get sound out of your keyboard and NOPE, all the faders are at zero.
This is a design flaw where Cubase takes over the MR driver and zeros all the faders. You HAVE to remember BEFORE you shut down the computer to load up your preset in the MR console or youll be booting the computer up so you can play and hear whatever you have going into it.
3. There is no way to adjust the unit without software other than the input gain and pad switchs. Input gain volume, forget it . Ive talked to Steinberg USA on this and Japan, it is what it is.
4. No way the Steinberg units sound better than the RME UFX, sounds better and the RME Totalmix is way beyond the MR Console
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Rme all the the way - been using mine for years with zero problems
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I changed my RME FF400 for a MR816X and couldn't be happier.Now I don't feel the need to change my converters.
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Really not sure about your statement and I personally won't exchange my UFX even if you offer me 3 mr816csx....
Did you try the Steiny?
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Yeah I have used RME for years too and went from Multiface2 PCIe to FF800 on MacPro.
I can swear they are so stable with no issues and deliver a great product that is very competitive amongst lower budget clients for US consumer inspired Pop songs (at least that is what my typical use is). However I've had high level engineers mix at my place and they do question the sound, even though they end up getting a decent result. It's not today's radio and at that point, I've eliminated everything from song arrangement to production elements, chain and so on.
I gathered, if in doubt, search for better options.
Qns:
- Anyone using Apogee Symphony I/O with Cubase on a "pro" tracking and mixing environment?
- Perhaps Burl B2 with RME?
- Metric Halo?
- PTHd hardware? Other?
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Did you try the Steiny?
No brother. But if steinberg interface would be better than rme.....Everybody would know it...and i'm afraid it is not the case. I can be wrong but i don't think so.
I have read rather negative stuffs about steinberg interface....
Serious people (pc builders) have tested those with pretty poor results.
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After working with RME we now use 2x Lynx AES16e and 2x Aurora16 for our converting and next to it's great sound it works flawless with Qbase7. We work most of the time with a buffer of 128 and don't get any errors nor suffer any glitches.
I highly recommend Lynx converters.
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After working with RME we now use 2x Lynx AES16e and 2x Aurora16 for our converting and next to it's great sound it works flawless with Qbase7. We work most of the time with a buffer of 128 and don't get any errors nor suffer any glitches.
I highly recommend Lynx converters.
How was it with Cubase 6.5?
Could you advise what OS you are using as well?
Is the AES hooked up to the Aurora?
What type of music do you do mostly?
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Hi CJ1973,

It worked just as flawless with Qbase6.5 (32bit) but we went for the 64bit version with 7 and now it feels we have even more stability and can work with less latency.
We now have Qbase installed on a Windows7 64-bit machine.
Yes, we have both AES connected directly to the Aurora's and the Aurora's connected to our API1608 and some outboard gear (to use it as an external plugin within Qbase).
We produce mainly modern dance music and pop.
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Hi CJ1973,

It worked just as flawless with Qbase6.5 (32bit) but we went for the 64bit version with 7 and now it feels we have even more stability and can work with less latency.
We now have Qbase installed on a Windows7 64-bit machine.
Yes, we have both AES connected directly to the Aurora's and the Aurora's connected to our API1608 and some outboard gear (to use it as an external plugin within Qbase).
We produce mainly modern dance music and pop.
Thanks so much! I appreciate the advise.
I'm curious to know what made you switch from RME ( was it a particular reason? ). Did you notice improvements after you switched and what type of improvements? Also could you let me know what PC set up and Windows you are using? Didn't have a use for a Mac? If a Mac user, would I need the AES or go direct Fireface? Any specific external plugins?
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We switched because we noticed that our final mixdown was sounding a bit different compared to playback when we used the RME. Especially in the higher regions it sounded more flat and it lost some definition. We went comparing some devices at our retailer and discovered that the Lynx would be the right choice for us because of the sonic improvements.
Our setup:
Windows7 64 bit, Intel i7-3930k CPU with 16GB internal RAM, Samsung SSD 830 series as our primary HD.
Our external "plugins" are (next to an UAD-2 Quad):
Tube-Tech LCA-2B, Vertigo VSC-2, BAX EQ, Gyraf Gyratec XIV.
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I've recently switched to the Dangerous Source for mixing sessions. I'm loving it!
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Lynx aurora has been rock solid with cubase 6/7
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Lynx aurora has been rock solid with cubase 6/7
Any comparison notes you may have to other converters and Cubase?
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I also tried the MR816 , horrid issues with FW chip set. seemed to pick up
noise from my computer or something.

Tc electronic konnekt was decent.
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Burl B2 A/D and 2 chained ME816's into Cubase - D/A through a D-Box. Apogee Ensemble strapped on the ADAT in just for fun. Quite happy.
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Rme madi pcie with M-16 ad + m-16 da + universal audio 2192 + hedd 192 + burl b2 ad + neve 1073dpd + benchmark dac1 (adi-642 for aes-madi). Loving life!
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Rme madi pcie with M-16 ad + m-16 da + universal audio 2192 + hedd 192 + burl b2 ad + neve 1073dpd + benchmark dac1 (adi-642 for aes-madi). Loving life!
haha.. are you sure you don't need Prism or Lavry or Cranesong? lol..
Love your gear! SluT!! lol..
Curious to know, what do use the most for AD and what do you use for vocals/synths/guitars/bass in particular? Do you have a preferance in chain?

Thanks!!
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Owning both ff800 and ufx....UFx has better converters and they really suit my needs...
So when people say they prefer Lynx (which is absolutely their right) over RME...about which rme card are you talking?

I personally find ufx fantastic but I had never the chance to compare side by side with Lynx.
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I changed my RME FF400 for a MR816X and couldn't be happier.Now I don't feel the need to change my converters.
I agree. Rme snobbery around here...

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I agree. Rme snobbery around here...
I'm not a snob about RME.

I've had great stability with my RME products over the years. My FF800 is getting a bit long in the tooth and I'm looking for what my next multichannel interface will be. When I first got RME stuff it was the best combination of price/quality/features and stability I could find. Steinberg used RME for their interfaces in the early days of Nuendo (re-branded Multiface/Digiface) and I don't have any problems with RME and Steinberg products playing well together to this day.

I chose the Dangerous Source for use when mixing and it sounds excellent. I've had it a few weeks now and I find it to be what I'd expect from Dangerous - a well designed, high end product.

I've heard glowing reviews from frinds about the Yamaha/Steinberg interfaces. The pricing seems great but I have yet to play around with one.

I'd like to check out an UA Apollo soon and hope that they announce an Octo version at NAMM. What experience do users here have with the Apollo/Cubase combo?
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haha.. are you sure you don't need Prism or Lavry or Cranesong? lol..
Love your gear! SluT!! lol..
Curious to know, what do use the most for AD and what do you use for vocals/synths/guitars/bass in particular? Do you have a preferance in chain?

Thanks!!
Yep, happy camper. Just got the Burl so haven't checked it out thouroughly enough but seems great on gtrs. Vocals mostly 2192 sometimes 1073 dpd and hedd for hardware inserts like ats-1 or clariphonic. M-16 mostly hardpatched with synths. No real experience with Prism or Lavry but i think i'm good!
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I have at the moment, RME,Apogee and Steinberg interfaces here in the studio and 99.9% of the time use MR816's.


If you're using cubase then the integration with cue mixes,on board DSP etc is worth it alone.

Just hitting the specific channel hardware input button on the MR routes that channel to your cubase track, then all the hardware controls in MR are controlled directly on the cubase input channel: pad, 48v, hi pass filters, Rev-X DSP reverb sends etc etc all zero latency, there's no need for a separate cue mix/total mix menu or window it's all part of cubase.



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