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19th November 2012
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Quite interesting discussion :-)

Due to my knowledge no music production system can prove a similar scalability and multithreading behavior like 3D effect rendering from solutions like After Effect, Cinema4D, etc. which are the home turf of workstations like HP Z820.

Still a workstation could be the migration point for me if I would:

* Migrate from MIR24 to MIR --> VSL is recommending 64 GB mainstorage
* Migrate to a full blown Nuendo system
* Use it for faster rendering of my 3d work, mainly in AE and C4D (2x Xeon)
* Switch to a 10 bit video production architecture with Quadros for 10 bit support (the
pure workstation cost is no longer significant btw)

The financial impact of a Workstation is serious and can easy tripple the cost of a nearly comparable i7 system, I think Scott did a great job in detailing the most important points already.

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I wonder if the HP Z820's BIOS has been optimized for Audio Application such as Cubase ?

I was told that their BIOS settings can not be modified (It's locked). So, there is no way to improve/optimize the HP Z820's performance for DAWs.

Any clue if this is the case at this time ?

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I wonder if the HP Z820's BIOS has been optimized for Audio Application such as Cubase ?

I was told that their BIOS settings can not be modified (It's locked). So, there is no way to improve/optimize the HP Z820's performance for DAWs.

Any clue if this is the case at this time ?

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I can't tell you about the Z-820. My Z-210 is not locked, but it is also not like the Asus motherboard BIOSes that seemed to be aimed at over-clockers and other tweakers. I don't know what you need to optimize in the BIOS for Cubase. I don't recall having to change anything for Samplitude/Sequoia. Even the OS tweaks were minimal.
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Who says they are really optimized? Probably a combi deal. Marketing etc.

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Who says they are really optimized? Probably a combi deal. Marketing etc.

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It would be great if Steinberg would strike a special deal with HP to offer audio-optimized versions of the HP Z830 workstations. (Bios tweaked for audio performance, very low latency, and over-clocked to offer faster processing).

I don't think the Z830 is specially optimized for audio production by HP. Since they are also used for other applications such as video/Post/graphic design/animation/....etc.
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It would be great if Steinberg would strike a special deal with HP to offer audio-optimized versions of the HP Z830 workstations. (Bios tweaked for audio performance, very low latency, and over-clocked to offer faster processing).

I don't think the Z830 is specially optimized for audio production by HP. Since they are also used for other applications such as video/Post/graphic design/animation/....etc.
There really isn't that much to optimize. If there are no DPC latency peaks, it should be fine. I've worked on quite a few PT rigs running on the HP Z series. They work well.

As for over-clocking, HP won't go down that route . It doesn't make any sense in their world.

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One question guys,

I´m thinking of a new build, got a i7 920 at the moment.

Are the XEON´s still so much faster than the newest Sandy-E´s ?
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One question guys,

I´m thinking of a new build, got a i7 920 at the moment.

Are the XEON´s still so much faster than the newest Sandy-E´s ?
nope never have been, the Xeons are sandy E same exact processors.
unless you buy 2 x 3.1GHz a single 6 core will beat it.

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nope never have been, the Xeons are sandy E same exact processors.
unless you buy 2 x 3.1GHz a single 6 core will beat it.

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Thanks Scott, good to know!!

I was wondering, why HP still puts them into their machines and why they are more expensive than Sandy´s..
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I was wondering, why HP still puts them into their machines and why they are more expensive than Sandy´s..
Well for one the Xeons can be used in multi-processor setups (and thus have the QPI links enabled). Regular Sandy Bridge-E's like the Core i7 38/39XX can't. (Sandy Bridge-E is the architecture name, not the processor name).

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Thanks Scott, good to know!!

I was wondering, why HP still puts them into their machines and why they are more expensive than Sandy´s..
Many professional workstation boards do not support consumer CPU's, one of the reasons we build with Xeons.
However, that can't be an argument for HP.
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HP?? Wth!! Worst computers. My friend works at a computer store, hps get returned, repaired most than any computer. And i had bad experience with hp pavilion and laptops. Why in the world would steinberg support HP???
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It would be great if Steinberg would strike a special deal with HP to offer audio-optimized versions of the HP Z830 workstations.
Nooooo, please nooooo. not HorrorPc
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HP?? Wth!! Worst computers. My friend works at a computer store, hps get returned, repaired most than any computer. And i had bad experience with hp pavilion and laptops. Why in the world would steinberg support HP???
HP consumer lines do tend to suck, but their professional lines are some of the best computers you can buy (and they aren't exactly cheap.) Particularly Z workstations and Elitebook laptops.

Oh, and the pro customer support is also top-notch (at least by my experience) and US-based.
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Nooooo, please nooooo. not HorrorPc
I was not aware that HP stands for Horror PC !

Are they really ?

Don't HP cater their top of the line Workstations to Professionals ? How bad can they be ?

I'm kind of surprised by your comment. Is your friend that works at a music store referring to HP-Workstations, or economy grade commercial/consumer general purpose HP laptops ?

They are two very different type of products , and Yes, HP makes both high and low end machines, they are very different product lines.
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I was not aware that HP stands for Horror PC !

Are they really ?

Don't HP cater their top of the line Workstations to Professionals ? How bad can they be ?

I'm kind of surprised by your comment. Is your friend that works at a music store referring to HP-Workstations, or economy grade commercial/consumer general purpose HP laptops ?

They are two very different type of products , and Yes, HP makes both high and low end machines, they are very different product lines.
not so sure about "high end" HP. but definitely on the consumer HPs and All Laptops
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not so sure about "high end" HP. but definitely on the consumer HPs and All Laptops
Actually the Elitebooks are the best laptops you can buy, especially for music. They cost like MBP's but they're so much better built and give you better components. Envy's and Probooks are also pretty good.
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My friend works at a computer store, hps get returned, repaired most than any computer.
Not surprising as they have the largest PC market share.

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Am I correct that Xeons can't be overclocked ? Anyone know ?
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NOPE they are locked down plus no board that has the tweak options for that
however i did see EVGA did release a board and they were the only ones last time that you could OC Xeons with.
but with the chips locked hmm wont get much out of it
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