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The ability to color the entire channel
Vca groups would be nice
Assign multiple outputs for each strip (you can do it with groups but not outputs)
Fix the MIDI timing problem.
Overall, I love it tho.

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However compared to logic Cubase already is miles ahead as a mixing/editing platform.
Editing:

To be able to edit, I need to zoom into the part and tracks to be edited first.
In Logic, you have the zoom tool on COMMAND-CLICK.
You select an area by dragging a rectangle open, and voila you get it - both on time and track axis.
Need to zoom further in, do it again.
Go back? You´ve got the full zoom history when you do a short (non-dragging) COMMAND-CLICK.

Before I bought my Mac, I was at the Musikmesse Frankfurt 2010.
I went to Steinbergs booth, and asked the guy who has been doing the large beamer presentation 5 minutes before, how to zoom into a certain part of the arrangement with Cubase 6.
I was hoping I had missed some speacial trick to quickly zoom in on an area of the arrangement.
I told him to select a few bars and 3 tracks in the arrangement and it took him half a minute to first select the part of the song, center it again, and then zoom into 3 tracks and adjust the view to do a proper musical edit.

I took him over to the Presonus or RME boot (don´t remember for sure) where a copy of Logic was running and showed him Logic´s zoom handling.
He became totally pale, as I selected the desired view in just a second.
I said: Why don´t you Steinberg guys do something like this? This would speed up editing incredibly!
Even Reaper has at least the horizontal zoom on the mouse wheel, making it quick in at least on direction.
He promised to tell the developement guys... (Why did I actually type gays first, must be Freud).

So: How can editing in Cubase 6 be miles ahead, if it actually takes you ages to get to the place where you want to edit?
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Now that you mention it, the zoom functionality is very very poor.
Are there keyboard shortcuts for zoom in C6?
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select all desired channels, hold alt+shift when inserting plugin/ selecting aux
I swear I tried that the other night, along with other combinations, and it didn't work. I'll try it again tonight, though. Are there any preferences or settings to change that I should know about?
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Now that you mention it, the zoom functionality is very very poor.
Are there keyboard shortcuts for zoom in C6?
The Steinberg demonstration guy was pretty shocked by my demonstration of Logic´s zoom handling.
He was browsing Cubase´s key preferences but didn´t find anything.

Maybe there are some assignable shortcuts, but it speaks for itself, that Steinberg´s presenter needs half a minute to get an arrangement view, that I get in a second in Logic.
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^^ (Cubase 5.5 yes there are zoom presets and also a zoom history. Also the mouse wheel can be used for vertical zooming. There is also a shortcut "zoom to selection" (so the presenter was probably more a consultant than a real user haha).

HOWEVER: I always had the impression when seeing videos of people working in Logic that this whole zooming in and out was handled much more elegantly there. Reading the thing about click and ctrl click confirms this.

Well, hopefully all the hetero-and homosexual celibates and non-celibates of the steinberg development team know what they should do now! Thanks for telling them!

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The Steinberg demonstration guy was pretty shocked by my demonstration of Logic´s zoom handling.
He was browsing Cubase´s key preferences but didn´t find anything.

Maybe there are some assignable shortcuts, but it speaks for itself, that Steinberg´s presenter needs half a minute to get an arrangement view, that I get in a second in Logic.
You can control zoom functions with key commands in Cubendo. You can even set up macros and combine them.
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New channels w/o sends

Something I never figured out: inserting new audio tracks and group tracks into an existing project with FX channels, and NOT having these sends preinserted on the new tracks.

Or an easy (one-two-step) way to remove all sends of a track? Gets in the way of routing things around, and I often have to remove all the sends one by one...

(I have the feeling there is already a way...?)
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The ability to bloody assign multiple parameters to one knob and to control the amount of signal to be applied to that knob as well as other options like only does the first 50% or last 50% or only do 60% to 75%

A easier way to apply groups to channels so say if you got 9 groups you select what channels you want to send to a bus and then press something like CTRL+3 and it would send all them channels to bus 3 but all the way up to 9

Also something like Logics Environment editor would go amiss atall!!!

And a fruity style sample browsers at the side when no channels/samples/instruments are selected
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Something I never figured out: inserting new audio tracks and group tracks into an existing project with FX channels, and NOT having these sends preinserted on the new tracks.

Or an easy (one-two-step) way to remove all sends of a track? Gets in the way of routing things around, and I often have to remove all the sends one by one...

(I have the feeling there is already a way...?)
This is really frustrating when you have the output options greyed out due to the FX sends being included in the new track

I'd also like the option to click a button and have a fader appear next to the main fader and be able to use this new track for parallel processing
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Something I never figured out: inserting new audio tracks and group tracks into an existing project with FX channels, and NOT having these sends preinserted on the new tracks.
Untick Preferences/VST/Connect sends automatically for each new channel.
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Untick Preferences/VST/Connect sends automatically for each new channel.
I don't know how many times I searched in the manual...thanks!!
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Just out of curiosity, does Nuendo 6 hit next? Like maybe at Namm this week since it's been two years? Then Cubase 7 this time next year? Or is there any schedule to the way Steinberg does that?
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ability to assign different colors to individual mixer channels.

channel crouping like in pro tools

also, group editing is a must...
Unless I am missing something:

Different colors to individual mixer channels is there.

Group editing is there and works as a charm.

What version are you talking about?
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To be able to edit, I need to zoom into the part and tracks to be edited first.
In Logic, you have the zoom tool on COMMAND-CLICK.
You select an area by dragging a rectangle open, and voila you get it - both on time and track axis.
Its the same in Cubase! Just hit "6" (or you can customize your own key command) and then select an area by dragging a rectangle open. I can't believe that Steinberg rep didn't know about this basic feature!

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The ability to bloody assign multiple parameters to one knob and to control the amount of signal to be applied to that knob as well as other options like only does the first 50% or last 50% or only do 60% to 75%
Yes! I want this too... maybe something similar to Ableton macros implemented with Cubase's quick controls.

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And a fruity style sample browsers at the side when no channels/samples/instruments are selected
I already do this with Cubase. I usually have the media bay set up on the side of the screen vertically Fruity Loops style (takes up only about 1/5 of the screen) in the beginning of my projects. Then when I start getting into the arrangement stage I usually drag the arrange window back to full screen.
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Render in place
organizable mixer
Ability to View inserts and Sends on the Mixer page
Basic Sampler
Batch Re-Naming in the pool
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Mixing:
Very few of the bundled plugins sound good, you´d have to use 3rd party plugins for nearly all tasks to get comparable or better performance than Logic´s stock plugs.
With the best 3rd party plugins you can get even way better performance than in Logic - but on stock plugs Logic is lightyears ahead.
Ah the old "Logic's plugs sound better than Cubase's plugs"

Just curious, which specific Logic plugs do you consider "lightyears ahead" of Cubase's plugs?
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I am really, really happy with Cubase 6, and I think 7 is a year off. I was just working on a song last night and thinking about how everything I need to do flows so well in Cubase.

But if I were to pull out a couple things that still slow me down just a little.

- The windowing system--I'd love to be able to have dockable windows and have the ability to say that all VSTs and VSTis dock to one tabbed window so I don't have them everywhere or have to move them around all the time.

- I love instrument tracks, but my favorite instruments (Omnisphere, Trillian, Kontakt, Geist) all support multiple outputs and have to be therefore in the instrument rack. I wish there was a concept of an instrument track for a VST rack instrument. I know this isn't straightforward to solve because you can typically choose to arbitrarily route things to different outputs. But I don't like having to go to two different tracks in two different parts of the project to edit one instrument for the common case that Omnisphere MIDI channel 1 = Omnisphere Out A.

- Maybe I just haven't figured this out, but now that I own Izotope RX2, I'd like to be able to use its editor in Cubase (not as a VST plugin). I love that Cubase has its own audio editor, which is great for everything except spectral editing. But when I need to attack something spectrally, I'd love to click on a clip in the project and say "Open in RX2" and have that work seamlessly. My old DAW, which didn't have its own audio editor, did this just fine. You could set up to 4 external editors.

- Logic lets you bounce an instrument to WAV so you can deal with it as an audio file. This is slightly different from a freeze. I want the best of both worlds. I'd like to be able to bounce to WAV and still have the original track in a "frozen" (unloaded) state and have Cubase group the tracks in some nice way (lanes?). So I can muck around with the audio in the WAV editor or in RX2, etc. But if I need to get back to the original MIDI it's right there.

Aside from the windowing these are minor asks that would just be fun to have but not critical.
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Its the same in Cubase! Just hit "6" (or you can customize your own key command) and then select an area by dragging a rectangle open. I can't believe that Steinberg rep didn't know about this basic feature!

Oh well! Of course it can be done. And I much prefer hitting G or H in Cubase (single key command)to Zoom in /Out than holding Ctrl Alt + Arrow keys in Logic like I am playing Need For Speed Underground on PC. Instant tendinitis. (Yes I know you can change the shortcuts...still...).

As a matter of fact, I happened to be there at Musikmesse 2010. And I went to almost all Steinberg presentations. I have to say: Some of the guys that were there weren't exactly "product specialists". I caught them having difficulty doing some stuff that is bread and butter for Cubase or Wavelab. In some presentations they embarrassed themselves. Trust me, I wouldn't judge if a feature is present in Cubase or not by these guys there. It does not mean anything that it took this guy a minute to do what you wanted.

Now, moving on to my list...
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Oh, also, I couldn't care less about:

1. VST Bridge. I have banned 32bit plugs from my system.

2. The bundled plugs. This is gearslutz!! We should all go out and spend lots of money on 3rd party plugs! It's what we do!
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As a matter of fact, I happened to be there at Musikmesse 2010. And I went to almost all Steinberg presentations. I have to say: Some of the guys that were there weren't exactly "product specialists". I caught them having difficulty doing some stuff that is bread and butter for Cubase or Wavelab. In some presentations they embarrassed themselves. Trust me, I wouldn't judge if a feature is present in Cubase or not by these guys there. It does not mean anything that it took this guy a minute to do what you wanted.
Ok, I have to admit that the Apple or Logic guys didn´t even show up at the Musikmesse, so they could hardly embarass themselves.
Does Cubase also feature the "zoom history" where you zap back through all the latest zoom views you did?
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Windows managment : Ok, this is HUGE and it's the thing I like in Logic. Cubase's windows management is a mess. In OSX things are far better, but in Windows it is horrible. I have found workarounds but until you find them there is constant windows resizing until you make each window fit on your screen.


Export in place: Take a audio file, or vst instrument and export it with effects STRAIGHT in the project window in the same track. But with no fussing with locators. Something like bounce in place but taking into account the insert effects and/or VST instruments. Would be a huge time saver.

More than 8 inserts in each channel. The cpu's are hugely powerful these days I don't see why the 8 inserts limit.

Free routing.

Apart from Reverence, a good quality algorithmic Reverb.

Option to select tracks, right click, Send tracks to NEW Group channel. Big time saver especially if you are working with multi miked instruments.
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Ok, I have to admit that the Apple or Logic guys didn´t even show up at the Musikmesse, so they could hardly embarass themselves.
I know, I was looking for them too. I am starting to believe they are something like an urban legend or something

But RME's booth was definitely there with all Macs so maybe this is where you found Logic to embarrass the Steinberg guys. Imo, he deserved it
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Does Cubase also feature the "zoom history" where you zap back through all the latest zoom views you did?
Yes. I have mine assigned to a custom key command and use it all the time.
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. A good 50% of Cubase stuff here seems to be RTFM.
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  • plugins organizable in Mediabay
  • Mediabay should be able to read sysex, and index them
  • Quick Controls should be expanded to 16 at least
  • multi output support for instrument channels and thus reduce the huge clutter
  • scissor tool should not cut all the darn lanes while comping
  • hand tool should be assignable instead of hard set to middle mouse buttons only
  • drum editor's little diamonds or whatever representing the drum hits are a pain to edit
  • Track Presets is still a half ass solution as not all parameters are saved
  • Floating plugin windows and similar should have a kb shortcut to make them dragable, and there should be an un-focus shortcut (I just hate the mouse, the less I use it, the happier user I will be)

just a few that came to mind right now...
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No offense but I have a hard time believing that 90% of the people that responded have ever even used Cubase or read the manual.

The ability to color individual tracks or Group tracks? Better names (Duh, you can "name" everything!). Automation? Instantly creating tracks to the same group? Group editing? These things have been available since 1999 in Cubase VST 5.0!



I'd suggest going to YouTube for 90% of these "problems".
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Very few of the bundled plugins sound good, you´d have to use 3rd party plugins for nearly all tasks to get comparable or better performance than Logic´s stock plugs.
With the best 3rd party plugins you can get even way better performance than in Logic - but on stock plugs Logic is lightyears ahead.
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What is a VCA in a DAW? I do know it is a voltage controlled fader. And it does not see audio. But I really dunno what that would do in a DAW?
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No offense but I have a hard time believing that 90% of the people that responded have ever even used Cubase or read the manual.

The ability to color individual tracks or Group tracks? Better names (Duh, you can "name" everything!). Automation? Instantly creating tracks to the same group? Group editing? These things have been available since 1999 in Cubase VST 5.0!



I'd suggest going to YouTube for 90% of these "problems".

In an odd way you have to have used Logic Pro to know what is missing from Cubase 6.

For instance there is NO linked automation editing.

So in Logic if you have 12 backing vocal tracks and you want all 12 to raise up 1dB on a line and you don't want to group them to a bus you can just edit one channel and automation and the other 11 "linked" channels all reflect this edit.

Try doing that in Cubase 6 - you can't - and it really is an essential feature if you do a lot of moves in a mix.

The linking in Cubase is simply terrible, when you link channels in the mixing you have no indication as to what is linked plus you have no ability to determine exactly what is and what isn't linked.

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