How I built my bass traps... - Page 16

matucha · 14th March 2007

the measurement mics are omni

but at this point I should say no more, because it is a field where I'm not very expirienced... others should chime in

dim light · 14th March 2007

No one raised a eyebrow when I said Shure SM81 -

You are probably right - I saw one guy was going to use a SM58 - ha! I think a pretty flat small condenser can work but then again...

Acoustians -please return from the cockpit! We need to erase some "?" from our faces.

r0ck1r0ck2 · 15th March 2007

it needs to be omni..

don't be silly..

Glenn Kuras · 15th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0ck1r0ck2

it needs to be omni..

don't be silly..

Yep omni

dim light · 15th March 2007

Then my pretty graphs are flawed! -

dim light · 15th March 2007

Can I use a akg 414 buls?

Sensater · 17th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by dim light

Can I use a akg 414 buls?

Actually I would like an opinion on this too, since I have 414 also....

A27Hull · 17th March 2007

small diaphrams are said to have a more accurate response...

matucha · 19th March 2007

OK, so I put them on the wall. Now I have to worry about color sheme. I can worry about colours, because it sounds as it should... nice ;-). It is really pitty I had to cover those holes, but at least (!) it works

Upcomming steps > back wall, a desk/console and rack filling (a favorite part, but the most expensive - y no tengo dinero ahora !que mal!)...

**Riccardo** · 19th March 2007

Yes you need an SDC.

Available from Gefell, DPA and others.

This is the cheapest one I have seen so far (Behringer)

http://www.behringer.com/ECM8000/index.cfm?lang=ENG

Not as accurate as the ones mentioned above but it works and certainly more accurate than a 414 B-ULS that flat it ain't at all

dim light · 19th March 2007

matucha - it looks great man! Congrats!

dim light · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riccardo

Yes you need an SDC.

Available from Gefell, DPA and others.

This is the cheapest one I have seen so far (Behringer)

http://www.behringer.com/ECM8000/index.cfm?lang=ENG

Not as accurate as the ones mentioned above but it works and certainly more accurate than a 414 B-ULS that flat it ain't at all

I think the buls are pretty flat haha - anyway - you are right I think I'll buy that crap Behringer so I can do my measurement. Too much work I don't want to guess if I'm doing ok...

I still haven't treated the ceiling and the front wall

But I have a nice white thing going on in the studio... Check it out!

r0ck1r0ck2 · 19th March 2007

you are such a ****ing maniac

dim light · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0ck1r0ck2

you are such a ****ing maniac

And you love it!

matucha · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by dim light

matucha - it looks great man! Congrats!

Thanks, but slowly with the superlatives, because I'm far from being satisfied with it aestheticaly, it was (and still is) frustrating in a way.

This r0ck1r0ck2 guy from barcelona si right about you, you're mad

dim light · 19th March 2007

I guess you are right guys haha people keep on telling me I'm mad, weird, crazy.

fuuck

matucha · 19th March 2007

...and why not? Better than uber-serious-boring

xmostynx · 19th March 2007

hey everyone!i'm back in action.

just moved into my new place- got a sweet little room to do some mixing in..and i just purchased the parts to what i think will be a sweet ass machiiiine...(computer)

hey dim...(.) (.) pics look nice dude!

didn't know you must use an omni!
so all my graphs are only half true

i'm not trying to make a perfect room, i'm trying to make perfect mixes!

so as long as i have an idea- i'm not gonna fret that much about an omni mic.

anyways, new room brings new questions!

i have hardwoord floors, and my monitors with my traps just sitting on the floors right now, sound fukkkin' amazing, WAY better than they ever did in carpet rooms.

but i'm knowing, i must build a cloud...

my question is...should i get a little carpet for this room? or should i just skate around in my socks? haha.. all the high end studios i've seen have nice hardwood floors..and i must say my monitors sound very good right now..i was amazed this morning when i hooked them up

what do you acoustic guys say? carpet/no carpet..

Cojo · 19th March 2007

Very nice matucha!

dim light · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmostynx

what do you acoustic guys say? carpet/no carpet..

Thanks again brother for the kind words - you make me smile here. Please upload new pictures of your new room.

This his how see the carpet, no carpet; (READ THIS AS POETRY, NOT SCIENCE)

I think it's nicer to have a brighter room with some response, nice reverb. The main thing is to control the spots where you get in trouble - first order reflection and control the low end. If you can find a way to control the room response and still have a live sound to the room you are in heaven. I over-treated my old room and I can tell you this: it's no fun - you need some love back from the walls. Not all reflections are evil. My main goal is to have a bold room that works both for tracking and mixing. I really want to get the bass solid - maybe I need to update my monitors - the krk v4 are a bit bass shy, maybe add a sub - I don't know yet. I'm still "under construction".

I think you do better without a carpet - but I have no numbers, proof... Just poetry!

Upload new pix!

tomdarude · 19th March 2007

no carpet!

and for room-measurements the cheap behringer/audix mics are absolutely okay!!
and way better than any LDC´s or other switchable mics...the more expensive/accurate ones are rather more accurate in the high frequencies (say for measuring speakers/tweeters etc.), for room acoustics the cheap one are absolutely fine, because your room problems will be at least 10x more flawed than the mic

dim light · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdarude

no carpet!

and for room-measurements the cheap behringer/audix mics are absolutely okay!!
and way better than any LDC´s or other switchable mics...the more expensive/accurate ones are rather more accurate in the high frequencies (say for measuring speakers/tweeters etc.), for room acoustics the cheap one are absolutely fine, because your room problems will be at least 10x more flawed than the mic

Cool!

I will order the Behringer when I got the money. I wonder if I can use it for something else like kick drum ha! Don't say NO!

Ibvee · 19th March 2007

Check the thread "upright bass still a PITA" i thought it was called. Han tells there he uses it on upright bass in the bridge if I'm right, and he gets pretty good results!
Should be a thread on its own, about the stellar results everybody gets with the mic!!

dim light · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibvee

Check the thread "upright bass still a PITA" i thought it was called. Han tells there he uses it on upright bass in the bridge if I'm right, and he gets pretty good results!
Should be a thread on its own, about the stellar results everybody gets with the mic!!

Awesome! - I agree!

Here is a little something; The studio in different stages.

AMIEL · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomdarude

no carpet!

and for room-measurements the cheap behringer/audix mics are absolutely okay!!
and way better than any LDC´s or other switchable mics...the more expensive/accurate ones are rather more accurate in the high frequencies (say for measuring speakers/tweeters etc.), for room acoustics the cheap one are absolutely fine, because your room problems will be at least 10x more flawed than the mic

sounds logical.

Glenn Kuras · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmostynx

hey everyone!i'm back in action.

just moved into my new place- got a sweet little room to do some mixing in..and i just purchased the parts to what i think will be a sweet ass machiiiine...(computer)

hey dim...(.) (.) pics look nice dude!

didn't know you must use an omni!
so all my graphs are only half true

i'm not trying to make a perfect room, i'm trying to make perfect mixes!

so as long as i have an idea- i'm not gonna fret that much about an omni mic.

anyways, new room brings new questions!

i have hardwoord floors, and my monitors with my traps just sitting on the floors right now, sound fukkkin' amazing, WAY better than they ever did in carpet rooms.

but i'm knowing, i must build a cloud...

my question is...should i get a little carpet for this room? or should i just skate around in my socks? haha.. all the high end studios i've seen have nice hardwood floors..and i must say my monitors sound very good right now..i was amazed this morning when i hooked them up

what do you acoustic guys say? carpet/no carpet..

hard floor, soft ceiling is best.

Glenn

dim light · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by myfipie

hard floor, soft ceiling is best.

Glenn

That's poetry!

matucha · 19th March 2007

dim>

So how is your studio treated? It is hard to distinguish the surfaces...

Corners seem like some kind of superchunk with wooden slats...

The front wall is fully absorbtive? and the sides? Or these are just bare walls?

The V4 indeed look small, but can serve the purpouse. I'd expect some tasty mid fields in a room with such a console ;-). That also applies to me, I'd rather have some S4C-A or PMC IB2 or... ... instead S3A, but I may end just with 2 subs added.

The bass is not bad at the moment, quite controled and defined, but I still miss some "massage" time to time ...

dim light · 19th March 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by matucha

dim>

So how is your studio treated? It is hard to distinguish the surfaces...

Corners seem like some kind of superchunk with wooden slats...

The front wall is fully absorbtive? and the sides? Or these are just bare walls?

The V4 indeed look small, but can serve the purpouse. I'd expect some tasty mid fields in a room with such a console ;-). That also applies to me, I'd rather have some S4C-A or PMC IB2 or... ... instead S3A, but I may end just with 2 subs added.

The bass is not bad at the moment, quite controled and defined, but I still miss some "massage" time to time ...

I have pulled out all treatment - the only treatment I have is the corner trap. It's mineral wool with particle board stripes and air gaps between every strip. Very simple. Next move is to treat the ceiling and front wall and listen some more before I treat the sides.

xmostynx · 19th March 2007

all this activity! oh its killin' me!

i'll update pictures soon- its the end of the term at school and i'm busy, and looking for crap in cardboard boxes! ahhhhh!!!

i've got many things to do- and installing a garage door opener sucks!

i will post pictures up soon- promise guys, once my new computer comes

and i get these boxes out of the room!

thanks Glenn i'll the floors hard..and the ceilings soft!

one thing i noticed about this room, is the highs are lovely. they are so alive! and my traps are a bit big.. 8inch with 6 inches of mineral wool.. they are just on the floor, and i'm BLOWN away.

these monitors sound so sweet. dfegad i'm like this monkey over here in pittsburgh.

or not...haha

later guys!

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matucha Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 2,900	the measurement mics are omni but at this point I should say no more, because it is a field where I'm not very expirienced... others should chime in __________________ Matous Godik www.soundcloud.com/zka4t

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dim light Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: China Posts: 2,336	No one raised a eyebrow when I said Shure SM81 - You are probably right - I saw one guy was going to use a SM58 - ha! I think a pretty flat small condenser can work but then again... Acoustians -please return from the cockpit! We need to erase some "?" from our faces. __________________ Moderators you can't kill my art!

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matucha Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 2,900	OK, so I put them on the wall. Now I have to worry about color sheme. I can worry about colours, because it sounds as it should... nice ;-). It is really pitty I had to cover those holes, but at least (!) it works Upcomming steps > back wall, a desk/console and rack filling (a favorite part, but the most expensive - y no tengo dinero ahora !que mal!)... Attached Thumbnails

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Riccardo Mastering Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Always on the Run Posts: 2,570	Yes you need an SDC. Available from Gefell, DPA and others. This is the cheapest one I have seen so far (Behringer) http://www.behringer.com/ECM8000/index.cfm?lang=ENG Not as accurate as the ones mentioned above but it works and certainly more accurate than a 414 B-ULS that flat it ain't at all __________________ Velvet Room Mastering "Can you imagine how great the Beatles or Pink Floyd could have sounded if they had used better cables? I expect a Nobel prize to someday be awarded to an audiophile cable designer, as they clearly are way ahead of the rest of us. " - DC -

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xmostynx Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,302	hey everyone!i'm back in action. just moved into my new place- got a sweet little room to do some mixing in..and i just purchased the parts to what i think will be a sweet ass machiiiine...(computer) hey dim...(.) (.) pics look nice dude! didn't know you must use an omni! so all my graphs are only half true i'm not trying to make a perfect room, i'm trying to make perfect mixes! so as long as i have an idea- i'm not gonna fret that much about an omni mic. anyways, new room brings new questions! i have hardwoord floors, and my monitors with my traps just sitting on the floors right now, sound fukkkin' amazing, WAY better than they ever did in carpet rooms. but i'm knowing, i must build a cloud... my question is...should i get a little carpet for this room? or should i just skate around in my socks? haha.. all the high end studios i've seen have nice hardwood floors..and i must say my monitors sound very good right now..i was amazed this morning when i hooked them up what do you acoustic guys say? carpet/no carpet.. __________________ -Make no mistakes I am what you make me http://www.myspace.com/xmostynx

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r0ck1r0ck2 Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Barcelona!! Posts: 1,618	it needs to be omni.. don't be silly..

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dim light Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: China Posts: 2,336	Then my pretty graphs are flawed! -

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dim light Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: China Posts: 2,336	Can I use a akg 414 buls?

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A27Hull Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tennesse Valley, AL Posts: 706	small diaphrams are said to have a more accurate response...

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dim light Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: China Posts: 2,336	matucha - it looks great man! Congrats!

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r0ck1r0ck2 Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Barcelona!! Posts: 1,618	you are such a ****ing maniac

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dim light Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: China Posts: 2,336	I guess you are right guys haha people keep on telling me I'm mad, weird, crazy. fuuck

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matucha Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 2,900	...and why not? Better than uber-serious-boring

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Cojo Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden! Posts: 1,471 Thread Starter	Very nice matucha!

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tomdarude Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: germany Posts: 1,554	no carpet! and for room-measurements the cheap behringer/audix mics are absolutely okay!! and way better than any LDC´s or other switchable mics...the more expensive/accurate ones are rather more accurate in the high frequencies (say for measuring speakers/tweeters etc.), for room acoustics the cheap one are absolutely fine, because your room problems will be at least 10x more flawed than the mic __________________ "You'd be surprised that "f*ck it!" can be a profound philosophy." picksail; 28th August 2008, 08:55 AM "The best sounding sluttiest gear of all time... is a great song" --Greg Wells http://www.hi-endgear.com http://www.audio-import.de

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Ibvee Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 467	Check the thread "upright bass still a PITA" i thought it was called. Han tells there he uses it on upright bass in the bridge if I'm right, and he gets pretty good results! Should be a thread on its own, about the stellar results everybody gets with the mic!!

19th March 2007	#478
matucha Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 2,900	dim> So how is your studio treated? It is hard to distinguish the surfaces... Corners seem like some kind of superchunk with wooden slats... The front wall is fully absorbtive? and the sides? Or these are just bare walls? The V4 indeed look small, but can serve the purpouse. I'd expect some tasty mid fields in a room with such a console ;-). That also applies to me, I'd rather have some S4C-A or PMC IB2 or... ... instead S3A, but I may end just with 2 subs added. The bass is not bad at the moment, quite controled and defined, but I still miss some "massage" time to time ...

19th March 2007	#480
xmostynx Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,302	all this activity! oh its killin' me! i'll update pictures soon- its the end of the term at school and i'm busy, and looking for crap in cardboard boxes! ahhhhh!!! i've got many things to do- and installing a garage door opener sucks! i will post pictures up soon- promise guys, once my new computer comes and i get these boxes out of the room! thanks Glenn i'll the floors hard..and the ceilings soft! one thing i noticed about this room, is the highs are lovely. they are so alive! and my traps are a bit big.. 8inch with 6 inches of mineral wool.. they are just on the floor, and i'm BLOWN away. these monitors sound so sweet. dfegad i'm like this monkey over here in pittsburgh. or not...haha later guys!

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