Primacoustic VoxGuard?

[Richmask41]

Hi, Yeah i've got one, It's as good or better as a SE Project Reflexion filter (but not as good as the "full fat" SE Relexion Filter.

Decent for vocals in a live room of course. defo going to help.

[thetalkinghead]

i just got one and its pretty sweet.

might as well throw in my .02 since i havent found a single review of this thing online.

its much cheaper and lighter than the reflexion filter and all other competing products which is really nice. it is a bit flimsy but not that bad at all. being the nerd i am i will reinforce it with some black metal brackets to make it nice and sturdy.

i like the fact that you can use it upside down which makes a lot more sense for my application:



this way i can have my condenser hanging upside down and i can then bring up another mic from underneath for double micing.. and they are both smack in the middle of the voxfilter.

i took it to my friends studio for some testing because my rig is currently down. we didnt do any official measurements but did some A/Bing and sure enough there was a distinct difference.

overall i would say it is a really nice little product. my buddy at the local store hooked it up for under 100 with tax. if i had the money to spend, i would definitely get a RealTraps PVB but i dont have the $300 + shipping to drop right now.

[Matt Hepworth]

I picked one up. It does its job for getting a tight vocal in a larger room or helping with a scratch vocal in the control room or things like that.

I don't know what the the companies are thinking with these type of things, though, as far as mounting design. I don't know ANYBODY that uses a straight stand with a condenser.

Connection is a real pain. I mount mine upside down from a large studio boom stand. You have to disassemble the mic's shockmount because there's not enough room to twist it on. If your mount doesn't disassemble then you won't be able to mount it.

Once "mounted" you have to fuss with getting the bottom tight enough (with its euro extended screw on it) to lock your mount in place while fiddling with the knurled ring to keep it clamped.

I really would have liked to see a better mounting system.

Just my quick review. Used it only once so far, due to the hassle of setup with large shockmounts.

[MonJackson]

yeah its pretty good. It won't fix your problem 100% on its own but that's obvious. And I use a straight stand with my condenser lol. At tha moment newayz

[Matt Hepworth]

Originally Posted by MonJackson

And I use a straight stand with my condenser lol. At tha moment newayz

?!?!

[thetalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Matt Hepworth

?!?!

I have my condenser mounted to a mini boom which is mounted to a regular boom (only way I can attach the voxguard upside down).. But out of curiosity.. What's wrong with having a condenser attached to a straight stand?

[MonJackson]

Originally Posted by thetalkinghead

I have my condenser mounted to a mini boom which is mounted to a regular boom (only way I can attach the voxguard upside down).. But out of curiosity.. What's wrong with having a condenser attached to a straight stand?

Who knows man....

[soundrick]

Originally Posted by Matt Hepworth

I don't know ANYBODY that uses a straight stand with a condenser.

I do it all the time. Especially with vocals, that way I can set a music stand up with lyrics right behind it and you aren't too far away from them.

Condensers are so heavy and unwieldy, I think I only have a couple of booms that I would trust with them......

[KBOY]

Are you guys that like this thing kidding me? It's the one product I think should be banned from use..

The SE reflexion filter actually does a good job and is a great design. Not perfect but satisfies an urge.

The reflexion filter is a giant comb filter. Not only is foam horrible, but it has a solid resonating plastic back that bounces every thing back with added crap.

for the same 100 bucks you could buy 6 2'x4' 703 style panels from ats acoustics and some fabric from wall mart and be tracking some pretty kickin vocals. Even with some of these crappy mics pimped these days.

I think I'm going to start a new thread. lol

[thetalkinghead]

Originally Posted by KBOY

Are you guys that like this thing kidding me? It's the one product I think should be banned from use..

The SE reflexion filter actually does a good job and is a great design. Not perfect but satisfies an urge.

The reflexion filter is a giant comb filter. Not only is foam horrible, but it has a solid resonating plastic back that bounces every thing back with added crap.

for the same 100 bucks you could buy 6 2'x4' 703 style panels from ats acoustics and some fabric from wall mart and be tracking some pretty kickin vocals. Even with some of these crappy mics pimped these days.

I think I'm going to start a new thread. lol

You used it and experienced comb filtering?

I just tracked a bunch of vocals with it and it sound amazing

[KBOY]

Glad it's working out for you..

I have three different products side by side. Voxgaurd, Se reflexion filter, and 3 micro traps from real traps on stands. The voxgaurd is awful. The Se reflexion filter with the mic pulled out to the farthest position is really good. The three micro traps by far destroy both in terms of performance. They might not look as cool, but that is a matter of opinion.

But they are a lot more expensive then the two.

[thetalkinghead]

Originally Posted by KBOY

Glad it's working out for you..

I have three different products side by side. Voxgaurd, Se reflexion filter, and 3 micro traps from real traps on stands. The voxgaurd is awful. The Se reflexion filter with the mic pulled out to the farthest position is really good. The three micro traps by far destroy both in terms of performance. They might not look as cool, but that is a matter of opinion.

But they are a lot more expensive then the two.

Primacoustic is a reputable company that has some really good products.. Their bass traps are the same as the real traps ones but nicer looking. I feel like they wouldn't sell a product like this if it didn't work, let alone make things worse!

I made all my acoustic treatment myself out of oc703 and 705. I have some extra panels. I might give it a try and use them as gobos / reflection filters and see if it works better than the voxguard. it probably should... You think 1" is fine for vocals or should I go 2 or even 4 inch thick?

[KBOY]

I had no idea that their bass traps were the same as Real traps. I've owned the real traps bass traps but not the primacoustic stuff.

2" is what I use.


As far as a company putting out a product that sucks, well... There is plenty of that going around. the thing is like 10 bucks worth of materials MAYBE.. Molded plastic back with some super hard foam glued to it with a cheap (non adjustable) mic mount.

their flexibooth seems to be a better product.

This is just my opinion though man... If it's working for you then that's a good thing.

[KBOY]

I'm reading the specs on their bass traps. I do not believe it's the same as the real traps.. Different materials used. They do look nice though.

[thetalkinghead]

yeah at this point youve got me thinking about just returning or selling the damn thing. personally it made a noticeable improvement for my applications... but fiberglass should work even better. after all, there is a reason i built all my acoustic panels out of fiberglass instead of foam!

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by KBOY

I had no idea that their bass traps were the same as Real traps.

I'm sure that's not true. RealTraps are unique in several ways, and as far as I'm aware nobody else makes bass traps the same way we do, or with the same absorbing properties.

--Ethan

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[KBOY]

So Ethan... Any thoughts on the Voxguard?

[Ethan Winer]

^^^ I never used one. Even if I had, on principle I tend to stay away from discussions of other acoustic companies and their products. In this case I piped up only at the misinformation that another company's bass traps are "the same as the real traps ones."

--Ethan

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[thetalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Ethan Winer

^^^ I never used one. Even if I had, on principle I tend to stay away from discussions of other acoustic companies and their products. In this case I piped up only at the misinformation that another company's bass traps are "the same as the real traps ones."

--Ethan

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Sorry I didn't mean they are literally the same. I just meant they are similar in design. And I only said that to reinforce my unrelated point

[MonJackson]

Im thinking about taking the foam out and replacing it with some left over mineral wool that I have left over from when I made my gobo... Ima cover the whole thing with a pillowcase probably.

[thetalkinghead]

So I just returned my unit. I am building my own unit made of two 2" thick 2' x 4' pieces of oc703 with a thin piece of plywood on the backs. Basically it will be the same thing as the flexibooth. And when I say the same, I don't mean it literally! Anyway I will put up pics when I'm done. Waiting for more GOM fabric to come in the mail...

[KBOY]

Leave the plywood off. Just build frames. Let it breath.

I'm glad I had something to do with you returning that thing.

[Matt Hepworth]

Originally Posted by KBOY

Are you guys that like this thing kidding me? It's the one product I think should be banned from use..

The SE reflexion filter actually does a good job and is a great design. Not perfect but satisfies an urge.

The reflexion filter is a giant comb filter. Not only is foam horrible, but it has a solid resonating plastic back that bounces every thing back with added crap.

I use it at an angle away from the performer to avoid reflection back. Head-on, there is some mid range reflection back. Again, points to the ludicrous design of straight stand. Makes no sense.

I've used it on a few more sessions now and I think it does a good job.

Some of us don't have time to build custom everything. One of the Voxguards on a large studio boom where it's angled away works well, FME.

[avare]

I find it amazing how much discussion and sales there are of these and similar units.
Most people use cardiod patterns for vocals and the subject units are placed in the area of minimum sensitivity.

Andre

[dkelley]

Originally Posted by avare

I find it amazing how much discussion and sales there are of these and similar units.
most people use cardiod patterns for vocals and the subject units are plaed in the area of minimum sensitivity.

Andre

to be honest - I find that the voxguard works well to improve vocals by adding proximity effect to the voice. as a wall with some foam for good measure, with a cardoid mic, it sounds really good. I think it's purpose is to work like the Se unit, but in reality it doens't work like that at all - it's a reflection maximizer, not a reflexion filter LoL. maybe it would work even better if you mic up outside of the voxguard and instead stand with your head in the voxguard facing outward into your mic? that would be the best for the proximity effect.

or better yet, sing in teh corner ;-)

ok ok ok, to be serious - the voxguard is great for reducing noise in crappy small rooms from computers as the like. but it will increase early reflextions which would not be a good thing imho.

[SAC]

Originally Posted by avare

I find it amazing how much discussion and sales there are of these and similar units.

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An inordinate amount!

I'm amazed that this topic does not seem to go away!

...Especially for something that will also have a destructive reflective component to it - unless phasing FX is one's 'thing'! The problems to be overcome must be awfully substantial to justify the use of a method with such a mixed bag of advantages and disadvantages.

No need to respond to my smart aleck response - as I'm done with the topic and gone....

[somerlovin44]

First of all...

All of this talk about the materials used to actually filter audio is completely pointless if your talking about constructing a vocal booth (or similar device) with a solid back to it, the whole point of a vocal booth is to filter / absorb unwanted audio, so by putting a solid back on the product your reflecting the audio directly back towards your mic, this is one of the fundamental differences between the Se Reflection Filter and some other products on offer... hu-hum 'voxguard' in this instance.

Secondly, the materials used are very important, if even half the people posting on forums like this read a proper article about each individual product before purchase they might see that the Reflection Filter is actually made of several layers of absorption materials. The Voxguard is nothing more than acoustic foam, I digress, I haven't used one, so you might be dubious about the validity of this post, but I guarantee far less value for money with the Voxguard against the Reflection Filter, or even the cheaper version.

As with comparing the Voxguard with Se's cheaper version of the Reflection Filter the primary consideration again must be the materials used, although the project studio appears to be just acoustic foam it actually bears a similar but less advanced structure to the original Reflection filter. But check this out as a base to work from if your considering parting with cash for a Voxguard - sE Project Studio Reflexion Filter - A Baby RF | DV247

And seriously people, if your considering putting a fair amount of time into building your own version of a vocal booth then it really would have been a decent idea to talk to someone impartial and experienced, at the end of the day every / any company can say they're products are better than others, its the performance that counts right?

But yeah, overall I'm only posting this cause I really can't stand seeing people's hard-earner cash funding falsely advertised products.

[thetalkinghead]

i ended up building my own.

4" of OC703. no backing. thinnest frame possible.

guess what? it works incredibly well. i have been getting amazing results with this thing!

oh and it cost me about $60 (because i decided to use the expensive guilford fabric... otherwise it would have been about $20).

save your money, people... build your own! and again... having no backing on it is KEY!

[thetalkinghead]

sorry about the crappy pic. the design is pretty obvious. i even built it with hinges on the back so that the sides can swing around to the back and the unit can be carried with ease. i'm telling you... this is better than anything on the market. and again... it cost me only $60!!!


i built all my own acoustic treatment and my studio sounds great. my mixes are translating extremely well. these acoustics companies are making a freakin' killing!!! i am not gonna lie... during this process, part of me thought, "man... maybe i should screw music and start building acoustic panels! it is incredibly easy and you can make tons of money!" but then i was like, wait.... F*CK that i love music.