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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Upstate NY
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| Holy sticky, Batman. |
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| Lives for gear | Thanks That was a useful and nice thing you have done PaulP. Thank you. DD |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hamilton, On Canada
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| A great summary Paul. Thanks for posting it. To others, there is a great wealth information in the BBC RD reports. Paul linked some of them. If you are serious about acoustics, an excellent course in studio acoustics is to study all of the reports relating to acoustics. The ones on Transmision Loss are fantastic. Want to see the construction of a wall with TL greater than 100 dB at most frequencies? It is there. In addtion to the RD reports there is much usefull information in the BBC Engineering publications and the BBC Monographs. For the geek, it includes a paper on the development of the (now known as Coles 4038) BBC rifbbon mic. Of course there is also THE BEST FREE DOCUMENT ON STUDIO DESIGN, Rose's seminal Guide to Acoustic Practice. Loving Aunt Beeb, Andre
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| The Guide to Acoustic Practice is very cool. Take a look at "Absorber D2" on page 116. Looks familiar. The inside (behind the absorbent and perforated panel) is quite like a Space Coupler. Interesting. Thanks to both Paul and Andre for the links.
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Thread Starter | Thanks Andre for the link to The Guide to Acoustic Practice. It's great to have a document that links all the different BBC reports together like that. I especially liked seeing photos of the standard absorbers installed in rooms. They look pretty good and I like the flexibility of being able to mix and match them, as well as easily change them when needed. Especially for us diy'ers who don't necessarily have a definite idea where we're going this lets us play around with things until we find a combination we like. I can see the utility of making some diffusers that fit the system and even some modules that are simply flat and reflective. One thing that strikes me in all the BBC documents, except the recent one for the deep bass absorber, is their use of fairly thin absorption, usually only 30mm (~1-3/16") with a 6" air gap. I hadn't seen the A8 and A9 before (the same but for the front cover) which contain two densities of mineral wool in front of a solid hardboard panel which is itself in front of the air gap. The air space behind the panel is then vented through holes in the sides. Paul P |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hamilton, On Canada
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Your comment about absorbers, quoted above, has me confused. You have been here at Gearslutz long enough to have read many times that the total depth of an absorber and the gas flow resistance of the absorbent material are what is important. Also, BBC has been using solid, as in homogeneous, absorbers for many years. The multiple layer absorbers are obsolete, for reasons detailed in the relevant RD reports. Smoothly absorbent, and full of it too, Andre | |
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of insulation for the BBC A1-3 compared to the 2"-6" usually recommended around here. I realize that total depth (insulation + air gap) is what counts. It's been a while since I read the BBC documents and see now that they went to thicker insulation even in their broadband absorber, the A11. And they no longer have air gaps, the boxes are completely filled. I'd actually intended to point out that readers of these documents should be aware that the different BBC treatments have gone through changes over the years and that there is a progression that is worth following. As can be seen in the following, their latest absorbers use much thicker insulation : RD 1992/10 for the A10 low frequency panel absorber (8" loft insulation)These two are supposed to replace most of what came before. Question : the BBC recommends that wood and hardboard components should be fireproofed. I've never heard of fireproofing wood. How is that done ? Paul P | |
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| 1995/1...We woked closely with the BBC to bring the ideas to fruition. fireproof wood with either class 0 base and top laquer or with a ******ing liquid that penetrates the wood.
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| Commerical version of A10 LF Absorber??? Does anyone know of a manufacturer that produces a retail version of the A10 absorber as described in the 1992-10 doc??? Thanks. JV |
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| Lives for gear | Cost JV, I am pretty sure shipping costs would make retail of such devices impossible. These BBC designs were usually tweaked to be easily constructed on site, using commonly available materials. That is one of their big strengths. Due to this and of course many other ingenious features, the BBC achieved remarkable consistency amongst their many listening rooms. DD |
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| Gear Head | I am also interested in the A10 absorber, just finished reading that and many other BBC documents... i feel i may need to add some of these even after superchunking all corners from top to bottom absorption FTW!
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| Personally I am also a fan of the door reports: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1994-14.pdf http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1994-15.pdf |
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