Ideal cloud/panel positioning for vaulted ceiling

Infrablu · 25th November 2009, 08:23 AM

Hello, attached are a few pics showing the "pitch" of my ceiling which is at a 35 degree angle approx. I'm looking to install a cloud/panels over my listening position. The studio is 13.5 x 10.5 and has a good deal of strategically placed front/side/corner traps and a combo of diffusion/absorption on the back wall. I primarily use it for writing/tracking and it has a nice sound to the room however, I'd like to get it closer to an ideal mixing situation and would like some suggestions on the following:

Pic #2 & 5 is looking up slightly behind the mix position
Pic #3 & 4 are the right and left walls (respectively) of the room showing the angle

- 24x48 panels. Should I go with 2" or 4" thick panels for the cloud?

- Is a cloud/ceiling absorption considered an "early reflection" point?

- If I go with 24x48x4 cloud panels hanging level and suspended by hooks/chain, What's the ideal amount of area that the cloud should cover above the listening position?

- If suspended in a level position how low should they hang?
(the height directly above the listening position is 11.5 feet)

- Would mounting say 24x48x2 panels against the ceiling starting above the listening position and moving further back to the peak where the back wall meets the ceiling give me the same or better effect than just a cloud?

- Perhaps maybe a combo of both? suspended 4" thick cloud AND 2" thick panels "up" the ceiling?

My vaulted ceiling presents so many questions and only a few threads here on GS that really targeted my particular situation so I appreciate any advice/feedback.

Thanks in advance!

takman · 25th November 2009, 09:29 AM

I made my cloud 2"...made that decision by reading on here...plus it would have too heavy if i made it 4" It weighs 50 pounds and is 6'x6'

Your room is almost exactly the same dimensions as mine....

Yes, a cloud is an early reflection point....and you can find it with a mirror...although i plan on just centering mine in accordance to my bass traps mounted on the ceiling corners...its big enough that it will catch all the early reflections..

some say that the cloud just need to go as far back as the end of the last sidewall 1st reflection panel. But i wanted mine to extend completely over the listening position since my room is really live.

i asked the same question about how low it should hang, and ethan told me 2"-6" The higher up the better though..this holds true for room size as well.....the longer distance the sound has to travel before it strikes an object the better.

I cant tell from the pics, but it looks like the ceiling is just slanted not vaulted? if its vaulted, then i would assume the two highest points meet in the center of the room and extend the length of the room?...if thats the case then just center the cloud in between the corner point of the vault....but really the pics give impression we are talking about a slant here...

anyways, i would just have the cloud covering you and the speakers

heres mine ( LED lighting optional

)

Glenn Kuras · 25th November 2009, 12:22 PM

Quote:

- 24x48 panels. Should I go with 2" or 4" thick panels for the cloud?

Go with 4" if you can as it will help with more low end control. If can use 2" if budget is tight.

Quote:

- Is a cloud/ceiling absorption considered an "early reflection" point?

Yes see the following
What Are Early Reflection Points. SPOTLIGHT:Bob Ebeling - Revolution Studio

Quote:

- If I go with 24x48x4 cloud panels hanging level and suspended by hooks/chain, What's the ideal amount of area that the cloud should cover above the listening position?

As much area between where you sit and the monitors

Quote:

- Perhaps maybe a combo of both? suspended 4" thick cloud AND 2" thick panels "up" the ceiling?

Just stick with the 4"

Infrablu · 25th November 2009, 06:40 PM

Thanks guys! Takman you are correct, it's more slanted and I'm getting the idea that placing 2" or 4" hanging clouds perhaps 3- 24x48's will be the answer above the listening area.

What are the dimensions of your cloud? (nice design by the way)

takman · 25th November 2009, 06:59 PM

the cloud is 6' x 6' and is 2" thick...

i kind of wish i had made it a tad smaller, like 4'x6' or ..its just a tight fit..

yea, 3 2'x'4's side by side for a 4'x6' is probably good...that way you extend over each speaker, and you still extend enough over the listening position without going to deep into the room..

Infrablu · 25th November 2009, 08:05 PM

Thanks for that! I went to your other post "My Bass Trap Build" Sweet panel frames and beautiful view. Are you doing a studio build-out or just adding on to an existing studio?

takman · 25th November 2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infrablu

Thanks for that! I went to your other post "My Bass Trap Build" Sweet panel frames and beautiful view. Are you doing a studio build-out or just adding on to an existing studio?

well..i guess kind of a build out?

Just going to be a set-up in my room....Not doing isolation...just treament..nothing professional i suppose....

25th November 2009, 08:23 AM	#1
Infrablu Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 47	Ideal cloud/panel positioning for vaulted ceiling Hello, attached are a few pics showing the "pitch" of my ceiling which is at a 35 degree angle approx. I'm looking to install a cloud/panels over my listening position. The studio is 13.5 x 10.5 and has a good deal of strategically placed front/side/corner traps and a combo of diffusion/absorption on the back wall. I primarily use it for writing/tracking and it has a nice sound to the room however, I'd like to get it closer to an ideal mixing situation and would like some suggestions on the following: Pic #2 & 5 is looking up slightly behind the mix position Pic #3 & 4 are the right and left walls (respectively) of the room showing the angle - 24x48 panels. Should I go with 2" or 4" thick panels for the cloud? - Is a cloud/ceiling absorption considered an "early reflection" point? - If I go with 24x48x4 cloud panels hanging level and suspended by hooks/chain, What's the ideal amount of area that the cloud should cover above the listening position? - If suspended in a level position how low should they hang? (the height directly above the listening position is 11.5 feet) - Would mounting say 24x48x2 panels against the ceiling starting above the listening position and moving further back to the peak where the back wall meets the ceiling give me the same or better effect than just a cloud? - Perhaps maybe a combo of both? suspended 4" thick cloud AND 2" thick panels "up" the ceiling? My vaulted ceiling presents so many questions and only a few threads here on GS that really targeted my particular situation so I appreciate any advice/feedback. Thanks in advance! Attached Thumbnails

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25th November 2009, 09:29 AM	#2
takman Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greece Posts: 325	I made my cloud 2"...made that decision by reading on here...plus it would have too heavy if i made it 4" It weighs 50 pounds and is 6'x6' Your room is almost exactly the same dimensions as mine.... Yes, a cloud is an early reflection point....and you can find it with a mirror...although i plan on just centering mine in accordance to my bass traps mounted on the ceiling corners...its big enough that it will catch all the early reflections.. some say that the cloud just need to go as far back as the end of the last sidewall 1st reflection panel. But i wanted mine to extend completely over the listening position since my room is really live. i asked the same question about how low it should hang, and ethan told me 2"-6" The higher up the better though..this holds true for room size as well.....the longer distance the sound has to travel before it strikes an object the better. I cant tell from the pics, but it looks like the ceiling is just slanted not vaulted? if its vaulted, then i would assume the two highest points meet in the center of the room and extend the length of the room?...if thats the case then just center the cloud in between the corner point of the vault....but really the pics give impression we are talking about a slant here... anyways, i would just have the cloud covering you and the speakers heres mine ( LED lighting optional )

25th November 2009, 06:40 PM	#4
Infrablu Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 47	Thanks guys! Takman you are correct, it's more slanted and I'm getting the idea that placing 2" or 4" hanging clouds perhaps 3- 24x48's will be the answer above the listening area. What are the dimensions of your cloud? (nice design by the way)

25th November 2009, 06:59 PM	#5
takman Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greece Posts: 325	the cloud is 6' x 6' and is 2" thick... i kind of wish i had made it a tad smaller, like 4'x6' or ..its just a tight fit.. yea, 3 2'x'4's side by side for a 4'x6' is probably good...that way you extend over each speaker, and you still extend enough over the listening position without going to deep into the room..

25th November 2009, 08:05 PM	#6
Infrablu Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 47	Thanks for that! I went to your other post "My Bass Trap Build" Sweet panel frames and beautiful view. Are you doing a studio build-out or just adding on to an existing studio?