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Question I need some more panels for my small studio (plan inside)

Hello gearsluts!

My name is Ioannis and i have a small personal studio in Greece!

Im reading this forum for a long time through my cousins account and i decided to make my own because i need to go deeper and to have more control

My main problem is flutter echo :(

I have read already many topics about that and found many many solutions for that problem.

I know that even absorption or diffusion (broadband or not) will do the trick but i need your opinions and suggestions for the specific room before i go on will the construction.

Here is the plan of my room and what i have in mind (green color).

Ceiling: rockwool/gypsum board with a small slope
Floor: tile floor
Walls: Ytong ( http://www.bau-docu.at/5/pdcnewsitem/00/82/65/ytong.jpg )


ps. Some really cool guys from a Greek forum helped me in the past to solve this problem (by "breaking" the parallel side walls with some wooden constructions) but i need to try something different at this time.
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just curious..where in greece do you live? I'm near Pirgos...
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Hi takman !

I live in Chania/Crete ;-)
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I don't see any questions in your post. You layout looks good, but you don't want to sit in the middle of the room. You want to start by sitting 38% of the room length.
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Hi Glenn!
Thanks very much for your reply!

The question is (sorry about that) if the rockwool panels and the position of them (in the plan) will do the job (kill flutter echo) for the specific size of the room! (i got my answer from you)

Also about sitting in the middle of the room i know is bad but my door is in a very bad position :(

I guess i have 2 options

1. to turn everything around so the door to be in the back side.
in this case the slope of the ceiling will be wrong i guess???

2. to move everything forward and to mount the one rockwool panel to the door :/
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putting those traps there will of course reduce flutter echo.
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Depending on how much of a slope you have I think you would be better not to sit in the middle of the room. It is always better to slope from front to back, but you can also put a cloud there to take away the reflection.
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That really depends on the ceiling itself.
whats it made of? its height? can you give me more details? just out of curiosity....
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thanks for your posts everybody :-)

here is the latest plan ...

this time i made it exactly like the real room in a smaller scale (the previous plan was more "free")

Now the position is @ 38% exactly (thanks Glenn)

ill start the construction of the green traps tomorrow and there is a big ? for the red ones.

the flutter echo is toooooo much

also im afraid for the gaps between th traps (--?--)

Edit: just captured some claps and uploaded a sample...
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Now the position is @ 38% exactly (thanks Glenn)
Just to make sure you understand. You will want to start at 38%. From there you may find that moving back or forward will give a better response.
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Just to make sure you understand. You will want to start at 38%. From there you may find that moving back or forward will give a better response.
ill make the final positioning after i finish will all the traps!!

the first one is almost ready

(the white fabric will be the final touch)

5 more to go! coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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looking good!
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thanks Glenn!

here is my mini trap mini-diary ;p
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Those look great Ioannis...seriously. Really nice job.

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Thanks very much Frank!!!

Just finished the construction of all the traps (its midnight in Greece)
i think i need at least 12 hours of sleep lol

here are 2 more picts (taken from my mobile so the quality is not so good)

tomorrow is the big hanging day!!!

* the trap in the second pict. is for the ceiling ... i have to find a safe way to mount it
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Nice work

Please let us know what your room sounds like once you have things set up.

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goooood mooorning GS!

edit: flutter echo is still there

i think this room is cursed anyway
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Flutter can be a bitch. One thing you could do is play a clap through your monitors, sit in your mix spot and listen to see if you really can hear all the flutter. Sometimes people walk around the room chasing it (or sit in there mix spot and clap) when really it is important what you can only hear in the mix spot coming from the monitors.
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Happy end!
finally the flutter echo disappeared!

very strange ...

when i had the traps temporary placed to the wall there was too much.
after i mount them with screws and made them steady it magically disappeared

now i have some only at the end of the room so i may make one more trap pair in the future

here are the last 3 picts

1. i find a soft tape and place to the back side of the traps (to avoid clack [is this the right word?])

2. i hit hit a voltage line (the white hole). thank god im alive ... just burn a fuse.

3. the end (to the black border is the only place with echo)


thanks very much everybody for posting here! appreciated ))))

edit: also moved to ~42% )
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edit: also moved to ~42% )
Not surprised. Bryan, GIK's lead room designer always says "well yea start at 38% but I bet you will end up around 42%". So you just proved him right AGAIN!
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