ready trap bags: sag?

[theblotted]

just ordered me some ready bags from readyacoustics.com. decided to go with the bags cuz it was at a great price considering the time, space, dough, and effort with saved from tools/frames/whatnot. i'm using 2x2" of OC703.

question for those of you who're using ready traps/bags: after a period of use, do you notice any sag? does the fabric stretch a bit that it sits lower or create distortion on the actual 703s?

this was brought to attention by another famous basstrap maker on another GS thread, hence the concern.

thx.

[AMIEL]

I have Ready Acoustics and never a Problem...are great Products.
and I reall do not get that about the distortion!! sounds like BS to me!

[theblotted]

Amiel, thanks for the reply.

out of curiosity, how long have you had'em? i'm just wondering if it's a phenomenon that'll happen over time.

i'm surprised nobody else's is chiming in. ppl got a better solution?

[The MPCist]

Originally Posted by theblotted

........i'm just wondering if it's a phenomenon that'll happen over time...............

FWIW, everything bad happens to things over time. Cars get old and rusted. Equipment breaks down, cloth sags on studio walls, my skin loses its elasticity, etc...

And yes, ready trap bags are more than fine. See what the manufacturer says about it and maybe they'll offer a 'sag-free' guarrantee, etc.

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by The MPCist

And yes, ready trap bags are more than fine. See what the manufacturer says about it and maybe they'll offer a 'sag-free' guarrantee, etc.

i don't see any "sag-free" guarantee, perhaps i'm not looking hard enough...

are you using Ready Traps?

[theblotted]

bump

[alw4416]

I think their product is awesome! Have a room full, no issues.

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by alw4416

I think their product is awesome! Have a room full, no issues.

cool, glad you're digging them. when did you order yours? my bags should be coming any time now...

[AMIEL]

I think I have them for 3 months..o more and are great...specially helped so much to make even and clean.... give him a call tell him I told you to call him.

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by theblotted

this was brought to attention by another famous basstrap maker on another GS thread, hence the concern.

thx.

well if is by a manufacter ..means is a competitor...so you can figure.....I think I saw some kind of War between Acoustic manufacturers.....anyway R. Acoustics are great!

[Joel DuBay]

Hey there,

We haven't noticed any sag in our proprietary fabric at all. We worked hard to develop it over a year's time, and so far it has done very well. When used as recommended, this DIY solution should bring you years and years of great use and worry free aesthetics. Some manufacturer's feel the need to discredit others in order to justify their products and price, but our happy customers and continued R&D to make our products better speaks for itself. Though we are constantly researching ways to make our current products better, the Ready Bags appear to be a crowd favorite.

Be sure to watch the installation tutorials on the Support page at our website and let us know how we can assist with any questions.


Thanks agan,

Joel DuBay
ReadyAcoustics.com
DIY Bass Traps and Acoustic Panels

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by Joel DuBay

Hey there,

We haven't noticed any sag in our proprietary fabric at all. We worked hard to develop it over a year's time, and so far it has done very well. When used as recommended, this DIY solution should bring you years and years of great use and worry free aesthetics. Some manufacturer's feel the need to discredit others in order to justify their products and price, but our happy customers and continued R&D to make our products better speaks for itself. Though we are constantly researching ways to make our current products better, the Ready Bags appear to be a crowd favorite.

Be sure to watch the installation tutorials on the Support page at our website and let us know how we can assist with any questions.


Thanks agan,

Joel DuBay
ReadyAcoustics.com
DIY Bass Traps and Acoustic Panels

was wondering when you're gonna chime in. yeah, i figured it was competitive blows... well, that's great to hear about lack of sags, thanks for the re-confirmation; i look forward to receiving the bags!

PS: thanks for being courteous and helpful over the phone. please email me when the 2 black bags come in. thumbsup

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

I think I have them for 3 months..o more and are great...specially helped so much to make even and clean.... give him a call tell him I told you to call him.

this makes me feel more confident in my purchase. i recently re-arranged my room to have a better monitoring environment. i strategically placed the few panels i had already and some Auralex wedges, and i can start to feel the changes already. can't wait to hear the "even and clean" with more basstraps myself!

funnily, i'm also beginning to notice that it's easier to spot potential flaws in other ppl's rooms now.

[ThrillHo]

I purchased the 12 bag set about a year ago. For the price, they are unbeatable...but they still don't look quite as slick as the framed traps. Yet for approx. $40-45 per 4" trap including the rock wool, you can't go wrong. They're sturdy enough to put two standing up in a corner without any fasteners. They work great as gobos using old mic stands.

There's no sag, but the edges are only firm in the corners because of the plastic inserts.

Oh yeah, get a dark color if you plan on moving them around. My tan 2inchers get dirty really easily.

[Joel DuBay]

Originally Posted by ThrillHo

I purchased the 12 bag set about a year ago. For the price, they are unbeatable...but they still don't look quite as slick as the framed traps. Yet for approx. $40-45 per 4" trap including the rock wool, you can't go wrong. They're sturdy enough to put two standing up in a corner without any fasteners. They work great as gobos using old mic stands.

There's no sag, but the edges are only firm in the corners because of the plastic inserts.

Oh yeah, get a dark color if you plan on moving them around. My tan 2inchers get dirty really easily.

You bet. Though Rockwool is a good acoustic medium, it is a little crumbly and does not yield as sharp of a look as mineral fiber. That is one of the reasons we recommend using Owens Corning 703 (besides it's slightly superior performance over 705 at lower frequencies).
If you want to really customize your own traps (by using a fabric you personally really dig), grab up some of the Acoustic Frames instead. These are really sharp and offer a super clean, "framed" look to anything you want to put in them, including rock wool.
Check 'em out: Bass Trap Frames

Thanks, and have a good week everyone,


Joel DuBay Sr
ReadyAcoustics.com

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by ThrillHo

Oh yeah, get a dark color if you plan on moving them around. My tan 2inchers get dirty really easily.

crap, i ordered more of the white ones. oh well, at least i'm just gonna hang them anyway, i have other panels for moving around.

i opted for simply the bags without the frames, b/c i didn't want the frames to cause any reflection (no matter how minimal).

Originally Posted by Joel DuBay

Joel DuBay Sr

Sr.? wow, congrats!

[Joel DuBay]

Originally Posted by theblotted

crap, i ordered more of the white ones. oh well, at least i'm just gonna hang them anyway, i have other panels for moving around.

i opted for simply the bags without the frames, b/c i didn't want the frames to cause any reflection (no matter how minimal).



Sr.? wow, congrats!

My friend,

Shoot me an email and we'll get you hooked up with what will work best for you. NO problem at all.

I need to make sure you get that which suits your needs and aesthetics desires.

No sweat.

Cheers,

Joel DuBay
ReadyAcoustics.com

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by Joel DuBay

My friend,

Shoot me an email and we'll get you hooked up with what will work best for you. NO problem at all.

I need to make sure you get that which suits your needs and aesthetics desires.

No sweat.

Cheers,

Joel DuBay
ReadyAcoustics.com

thanks for the offer. actually, i already planned on getting the white ones, cuz all my other hi/mid panels are white as well. these work better aesthetically in my room. plus, no moving around once they're installed.

but can't beat the dust in LA tho, esp with all them cars/traffic/smog... i'll just have to bust out the Swiffer Dusters, that's all. thumbsup

[StrykeBack]

Originally Posted by Joel DuBay

You bet. Though Rockwool is a good acoustic medium, it is a little crumbly and does not yield as sharp of a look as mineral fiber. That is one of the reasons we recommend using Owens Corning 703 (besides it's slightly superior performance over 705 at lower frequencies).
If you want to really customize your own traps (by using a fabric you personally really dig), grab up some of the Acoustic Frames instead. These are really sharp and offer a super clean, "framed" look to anything you want to put in them, including rock wool.
Check 'em out: Bass Trap Frames

Thanks, and have a good week everyone,


Joel DuBay Sr
ReadyAcoustics.com

The 703 has a better low end absorption then 705? or are you referring to 2 2" sheets together of 703 beats the 705? I was curious about that but since the price was much more for 705 and being that I'm getting ready to order the 12 bag bundle and they all are 4 inch deep bags. I might as well just go all out on 703. Just finishing up some last minute finances and plan to put in an order in this week or next.

[Jeff Juliano]

Originally Posted by theblotted

just ordered me some ready bags from readyacoustics.com. decided to go with the bags cuz it was at a great price considering the time, space, dough, and effort with saved from tools/frames/whatnot. i'm using 2x2" of OC703.

question for those of you who're using ready traps/bags: after a period of use, do you notice any sag? does the fabric stretch a bit that it sits lower or create distortion on the actual 703s?

this was brought to attention by another famous basstrap maker on another GS thread, hence the concern.

thx.

I've had my ready traps for over a year and I have had NO problems whatsoever with sag or anything. Mine have even survived mounting, un-mounting being man handled by big sweaty movers, thrown in a 120 degree United semi truck and re-mounted. No issues. Their product is just great.

I can only imagine the guy who started the "distortion" thread. Sounds like they need to go get laid and not spend so much time on GS spreading the BS around.

Congrats on your purchase. You made the right move.

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by Jeff Juliano

I've had my ready traps for over a year and I have had NO problems whatsoever with sag or anything. Mine have even survived mounting, un-mounting being man handled by big sweaty movers, thrown in a 120 degree United semi truck and re-mounted. No issues. Their product is just great.

I can only imagine the guy who started the "distortion" thread. Sounds like they need to go get laid and not spend so much time on GS spreading the BS around.

Congrats on your purchase. You made the right move.

Jeff, thank you for the confirmation.

just an update, i currently have 8 total ready traps: 5 i originally ordered, and 3 free extra's Joel threw in due to a complication in delay. now how's that for customer service!!

for the 5 i'm using layered 2 x 2" 703's. for the other 3 i got some Roxul from Gene @ Service Partners (formally Insulation Wholesale) under some GS recommendations. Gene is extremely helpful; and Roxul apparently have better NRC than 703's, @ almost half the price.

the only reservation i have with these Ready Trap Bags is that the side corners can be a bit rough and "hilly". but it's easily fixed with some cornerbeads from Home Depot. i only installed the cornerbeads in strategic/noticeable corners, so i won't get too much reflection; maintaining the integrity of the trap quality.

the way i have it set it up:
-between the speakers (behind computer monitors),
-front top, angled (wall meets ceiling),
-directly floating above (cloud)
-front bottom (behind the desk, wall meets floor)
-two front-side corners (wall meets wall)
-two back corners (wall meets wall)

on top of all these traps, i also have 2 Auralex Lenards mounted @ ceiling corners both sides, 3 Auralex cubes at Tri-corners of the room (one corner has a closet-door), and finally 4 ATS mid-freq acoustic panels on side walls and back walls.

my room is now truly jawdropping to say the least. i didn't know my room can be so "tamed"... esp considerig it's only 12' x 11' x 8'. all the test/listening materials have much better clarity, tighter bass, very controlled sound. even when i simply talk, the sound does not travel. front of room is dead, but the back is still live.

so now i have no more excuses for the room, i can finally focus on making music!

[Jonathan Starr]

Another satisfied customer.

Joel's bags and service are great.

No reservations.

[Glenn Kuras]

Originally Posted by StrykeBack

The 703 has a better low end absorption then 705? or are you referring to 2 2" sheets together of 703 beats the 705? I was curious about that but since the price was much more for 705 and being that I'm getting ready to order the 12 bag bundle and they all are 4 inch deep bags. I might as well just go all out on 703. Just finishing up some last minute finances and plan to put in an order in this week or next.

Nothing wrong with using 703, but 705 does absorb better below 100hz with both at 4".

Glenn

[Joel DuBay]

Here we go again.

Perhaps this time, I'll get someone to make a wager with me on this.


703 is better than 705 at low frequencies according to Owens Corning' own acoustical analysis collected for both products. There is no lab data from an acoustical absorption data collection facility such as Riverbank Acoustical labs or any other real acoustical laboratory that proves otherwise. (no "home testing" results please)

Here is the data from Owens Corning (reprinted at Bob Golds): http://bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htm


Owens Corning had a vested, financial interest in making 705 a better absorption medium than 703. 705 costs more to produce, and costs more to consumers. Therefore, OC would benefit by making SURE 705 tested better than 703. The fact is, they couldn't and can't, and rather than lie to consumers (just to sell this product at a higher cost) Owens Corning have done the right thing and published reliable testing results that show the difference (albeit marginal). Besides the numerous conversations we've had with Owens Corning presentatives who've confirmed the data and OC's WANT to make 705 better than 703, the data (alone) speaks for itself.

705 is a more rigid material and good for some applications, but it is NOT better than 703.


Look at Owens Corning' OWN data.

[Ethan Winer]

Originally Posted by Joel DuBay

Here we go again.

Indeed - hopefully this time you'll finally get it?

Look at Owens Corning' OWN data.

I have detailed the limitations of that data in great detail in my Density Report here:

Rigid fiberglass density tests

Joel, read it more than once if necessary. Especially the part about the problems with third octave averaging and not measuring or reporting what happens below 100 Hz. Also, I suggest you buy the ASTM C423 spec which explains that standard test labs are unreliable even at 125 Hz, and can be off by 50 percent.

--Ethan

[Glenn Kuras]

Ethan,

I am pretty sure you are close to the Owens company. Do you know any thing
about the story Joel is talking about? My understanding is all of these
products are used for insulation in structures (buildings, ships and so on)
and acoustics is just a minor fraction of there sales. We all just got lucky
we have it to use.

BTW, thanks for taking the time to do that testing.

Glenn Kuras

[Ethan Winer]

Glenn,

Originally Posted by myfipie

Do you know any thing about the story Joel is talking about?

Joel said above, "Owens Corning had a vested, financial interest in making 705 a better absorption medium than 703. 705 costs more to produce, and costs more to consumers. Therefore, OC would benefit by making SURE 705 tested better than 703. The fact is, they couldn't and can't, and rather than lie to consumers (just to sell this product at a higher cost) Owens Corning have done the right thing and published reliable testing"

I have no idea where he got that from, but I'd love to hear more if he can back it up. In particular, I'd like to know how Joel seems able to read their mind, know their motives, and so forth. Joel, did you get that from someone at Owens-Corning? If so, who? I'd like to call them up and dig deeper into this.

My understanding is all of these products are used for insulation in structures (buildings, ships and so on) and acoustics is just a minor fraction of there sales. We all just got lucky we have it to use.

Exactly. Acoustics is a tiny part of the market for rigid fiberglass. It just works out well for guys like you and me that the same material can be used as the basis of bass traps and absorber panels.

--Ethan

[Joel DuBay]

Originally Posted by myfipie

Ethan,

I am pretty sure you are close to the Owens company. Do you know any thing
about the story Joel is talking about? My understanding is all of these
products are used for insulation in structures (buildings, ships and so on)
and acoustics is just a minor fraction of there sales. We all just got lucky
we have it to use.

BTW, thanks for taking the time to do that testing.

Glenn Kuras

Back to the "home" testing with that software and a mic?


Okay, you got me. You win.


So, people interested in these products should simply disregard Owens Corning' own very expensive, very detailed spec analysis of their own products; products for which they have a Multi-multi million dollar interest in, products that were tested at an acoustical lab, (not at home! ) and agree with these conculsions? I don't think anyone is that dumb, certainly not folks who are willing to look at facts.

And GLENN KURAS, even you don't believe that "home testing" vs REAL acoustical lab analysis of products.

As you've concluded elsewhere, home testing is nowhere NEAR accurate or even appropriate (compared to testing in an acoustics lab) when testing a device's or product's performance. If you did Glenn, you'd forget about spending the thousands of dollars you've already spent and will spend testing your OWN products at a REAL acoustical laboratory (Riverbank Acoustical Labs) and would turn instead to HOME testing with software and a mic. It's a hell of a lot cheaper, (almost no cost at all) you too would get to control the outcome of the tests, and you'd get to create fancy looking charts to post on your website. At last glance Glenn, you've stuck with REAL testing, and therefore must conclude that 703 is better than 705 because HOME testing doesn't accurately analyze an acoustical treatment devices performance. You don't believe in HOME testing Glenn Kuras, and you've proven that.





The question now is, why do you want others to believe you do?



GIK ACOUSTICS ABSORPTION DATA

Where's the home testing?



And, how about that bet?


Good luck,


Joel DuBay Sr
ReadyAcoustics.com

[NLP]

Maybe OC materials arent competent to judge general principles of physics.
Many insulation companies dont "mix" additions in same proportions...fiberglass as product/sheet have diffrent additions, so the acoustic and thermal properties are diffrent...
Some insulations from other companies does not have that problem

[grevan]

I feel like I'm watching the 3 biggest guys on the block rumble