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oliver archut · 29th November 2006, 06:49 PM

Hello Guys,

first of all it is not polite to repost an private e-mail in any way without the consent of the person who wrote it. The reason why nobody asked me and that I have to hear from other people what is going on shows what this threat is about.

I am asking the original poster to remove the private e-mail and if he has a question that he would like to ask openly in a forum please do so. Biggest problem with most forums that most quotes of people are mis represented.

Whoever has an opinion about Gefell mics can write about them as they please and spread their opinions how they want. But at least they should know the entiere story.

Most posts to historic Gefell mics that I read here are mostly propaganda and have nothing to do with helping other member to get an idea about Gefell.

Here are some facts, the historic Gefell x-former were made in Gefell due to the fact that no real audio lamination were available in former East Germany, sometimes they used nickel sheet to cut them from, sometimes they used plain dynamo lamination because that is all they could get, sometimes they used whatever they could get their hands on. Same with most Gefell parts during the time, the connector is the best example, any Tuchel connector from the 1950s can compete with 2006 connectors in material and mostly the 1950s one are even better than what we have today. The stuff Gefell used is home made and barely works.
What Gefell made during the Soviet occupied times is 1.6 tons of microphones a month ( to quote Mr. Kuehnast) and quality was not the goal, quantity.
The brother in arms the CCCP/USSR used WEST GERMAN Neumann's for their Radio/TV/Movie and audio productions instead of Gefell mics, that should gives you guys an inside about their quality.

So today most Gefell that were made during the GDR times are plain old garbage due to material problems. If someone wants to rebuild those mics, that is a pretty good job if you can do it yourself, but please see it in relations.
If someone points out the quality of a audio-transformer that is made with anything else than high quality NI/FE material does not have a clue where he is talking about. The DC resistance of the Gefell ones is an indicator how many turn were needed to get a simple 50Hz roll off, the DC resistance is also responsible for phase shift, etc.

There are several ways to make a mic better, but as I stated in my e-mail it has to stand in a relation to what it cost and what you get.

But in the end a rebuild CMV is a great mic to have.....

Oliver Archut
AMI/TAB-Funkenwerk
785-697-2257

P.S.
Up to today the person that claimed he had a broken of my x-former never called to get a free exchange.....

29th November 2006, 06:49 PM	#29
oliver archut Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 82	Hello Guys, first of all it is not polite to repost an private e-mail in any way without the consent of the person who wrote it. The reason why nobody asked me and that I have to hear from other people what is going on shows what this threat is about. I am asking the original poster to remove the private e-mail and if he has a question that he would like to ask openly in a forum please do so. Biggest problem with most forums that most quotes of people are mis represented. Whoever has an opinion about Gefell mics can write about them as they please and spread their opinions how they want. But at least they should know the entiere story. Most posts to historic Gefell mics that I read here are mostly propaganda and have nothing to do with helping other member to get an idea about Gefell. Here are some facts, the historic Gefell x-former were made in Gefell due to the fact that no real audio lamination were available in former East Germany, sometimes they used nickel sheet to cut them from, sometimes they used plain dynamo lamination because that is all they could get, sometimes they used whatever they could get their hands on. Same with most Gefell parts during the time, the connector is the best example, any Tuchel connector from the 1950s can compete with 2006 connectors in material and mostly the 1950s one are even better than what we have today. The stuff Gefell used is home made and barely works. What Gefell made during the Soviet occupied times is 1.6 tons of microphones a month ( to quote Mr. Kuehnast) and quality was not the goal, quantity. The brother in arms the CCCP/USSR used WEST GERMAN Neumann's for their Radio/TV/Movie and audio productions instead of Gefell mics, that should gives you guys an inside about their quality. So today most Gefell that were made during the GDR times are plain old garbage due to material problems. If someone wants to rebuild those mics, that is a pretty good job if you can do it yourself, but please see it in relations. If someone points out the quality of a audio-transformer that is made with anything else than high quality NI/FE material does not have a clue where he is talking about. The DC resistance of the Gefell ones is an indicator how many turn were needed to get a simple 50Hz roll off, the DC resistance is also responsible for phase shift, etc. There are several ways to make a mic better, but as I stated in my e-mail it has to stand in a relation to what it cost and what you get. But in the end a rebuild CMV is a great mic to have..... Oliver Archut AMI/TAB-Funkenwerk 785-697-2257 P.S. Up to today the person that claimed he had a broken of my x-former never called to get a free exchange..... Last edited by oliver archut; 29th November 2006 at 06:53 PM.. Reason: Typo...