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I always take ref. cd's that people bring with a very big pinch of salt.
Normally the artist hasn't thought at all about loudness (or is even aware of the problem in general)
They normally just bring CD's of music they like (and why not?) - often one completely smashed from last year and one from like 1992.
(i remember once someone who was doing a rock album brought in a CD of some french music from the 50's - johnny halliday or something - i asked him why he'd brought that as a reference and he said 'cause he liked it! LOL)
I find the bringing of ref's is just a handy way to get into a conversation about loudness........to get a feeler for how hard you need to jam the album into the sausage machine as it were.
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