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Dude where are you coming from?

First I don't work for Ebay....

Originally Posted by wayne mox

What if you pay $2000 for a $2000 mic, and find out the seller used a hijacked account? The current $15000 auction for a E49 mic is a joke, it's at $15000 because people here have pushed it up to mess with the seller. If you indeed buy a $2500 mic for $18,999, it most certainly is your choice, but your probably don't have all your marbles. Besides, paying too high for an item is not an Ebay security issue. That's a personal common sense issue.

THAT IS MY POINT MAN!!! If the account is hijacked I should look into it BEFORE I pay $2000 for a microphone. Really anyone who pays $2000 for anything sight unseen without talking to the person you are giving money to is an idiot. Being an idiot is NOT Ebay's responsibility.

Originally Posted by me

If I buy a $500 guitar from an account that has only sold DVD's for $4.50 each, my fault.

Originally Posted by you

Why is it a fault? What if I wanted to start selling guitars after selling DVD's for 3 years? No one is implying it's a scam, but it may be a likely scam that requires further scrutiny. Scrutiny as in an Ebay Policeman looking closely at the pics, the description, doing searches over the past year for the same item and wording, the seller's account.

See, we can only search for items sold in 30 days, but Ebay SHOULD have the power to search for item's over the past year or two years. Too much bandwidth and storage requirement to hold all that info? TOUGH! Ebay created this monster. Pay for the servers to hold the info, and all relevant details over the past 2 years worth of auctions.

That's what I'm talking about. Their infrastructure is CRAP.

Why that is MY fault is because Ebay is not forcing me to buy a $500 guitar from someone who has only sold DVD's. As a consumer it is my responsibility (have you ever heard of the word RESPONSIBILITY) to investigate the transaction. Ebay is a meeting place for people who what to buy and sell stuff.. period. You have a responsibility in the transaction as well.

Originally Posted by me

If I buy a $20,000 car from a seller and I never give them a call before I pay, my fault.

Originally Posted by you

Again, not an Ebay security issue. Not even a security issue at all. Most people will pay for cars by check when they go to pick up the car. Cars really shouldn't be on Ebay's security concern as most people won't pay until they've gone to inspect it at pickup.

So in this case you are saying it is the responsibility of the buyer then? Why is that different than anything else on Ebay? Ohhh .. because you have been ripped off buying audio equipment but not a car?

Originally Posted by me

If I pay for a $1000 gold watch with a Western Union wire transfer, my fault.

Originally Posted by you

Once again, not a security issue. Many people use western union transactions.

And you are a fool if you do. Western Union payments are one of the biggest tip offs to Ebay scammers. OF COURSE this is a security issue FOR YOU. If you send a Western Union payment and the seller skips with your money you have ZERO recourse to the transaction.. The issue is not Ebay's fault, it is yours for using Western Union.

Originally Posted by me

If I sell my product to a bidder with a feedback rating of 0 and take a personal check then ship without waiting for it to clear, my fault.

Originally Posted by you

Not a security issue.

What do you mean not a security issue?!?!? If I take a $1000 check from a product and ship it to someone then find out it bounced that is a pretty big concern.. FOR ME. I don't are about Ebay's security AGAIN IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO NOT BE AN IDIOT.

Originally Posted by me

If I let my computer get hacked because I did not follow proper security procedures, my fault.

Originally Posted by you

Ebayer scammers don't hackcomputers, so this is a moot point.

You are kidding right? You have got to be joking or you are a complete fool.

Originally Posted by me

If I open every email that comes into my Yahoo account and someone hijacks my Ebay user name and password, my fault.

Originally Posted by you

This is the first item I agree with you on.

Now why is that? As I see it what I open in my email account is my responsibility and it sounds like you agree then. Why is buying or selling anything on Ebay any different? It is something that I voluntarily do on my computer and I choose to follow good or bad security practices so what is the difference between opening up a potentially bad email and exchanging money with a potentially bad Ebay member?

By all of your arguments on this thread my ISP should block all spam, viruses, physing attacks and everything that could potentially cause my computer harm? I have no responsibility and I should just go open each and every email that I get and follow every link that I receive because my ISP should take care of my security. Because my ISP is watching out for me I automatically trust everything that comes in to my email account. I have zero responsibility for my computer's security and I am pissed off at my ISP because I got a virus. Crazy.

Originally Posted by me

Ebay's whole premise is to have the community police the community. That is what the rating system is for. It may not be the best system but if you are smart about your transactions then you will probably be fine.

Originally Posted by you

Ratings are a crock and are useless. All they do is show how many transactions went well, they don't show the ones that went bad. Why? Because 99% of the involved people do not leave negative feedback for fear of getting a retalitory negative. Further, feedback was never meant to "police" the community as you put it. Feedback is voluntary and again, pretty much useless.

That is not how Ebay sees it.. I know because I watched the security officer of Ebay on 60 Minutes saying that the feedback system is the one thing that sets their business apart from all others. It has become the model for internet sales activity, many other on line sites have followed Ebay's lead in this.

So if feedback is a crock would you purchase a $2,000 microphone from a seller with a feedback rating of 3 with 2 negatives? If you do then you are an idiot and if you don't you are proving 2 things, 1) the feedback system is worth something and 2) you took the responsibility as the buyer to investigate the product.

Originally Posted by me

Well, $500 is a big deal to me but to each their own. Either way, I am sure there are hunderds of thousands of + $1000 auctions that go down each week, that is a huge number.

Originally Posted by you

Just in MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS last night when I did a search, there were NINE auctions that were ending within 2 hours, had at least one bid, and were at least $1000. Not all categories need policing. Auto Auctions need little policing as most people (unless your an imbecile), do not pay for a car before they go to inspect it upon pickup. So don't go throwing in all the categories.

Auctions like audio equipment are like an open back door at your house. Audio equipment is easily forged.

Did you ever happen to think that maybe audio equipment is important to you because you are interested in it? I have friends who are very interested in the camera category that would beg to differ with you that Ebay only needs to police audio equipment.

The categories that I choose above (that was just a small sampling) were ones that I could see folks getting ruffled feathers about. You don't think there are potential scammers hanging out in the rare coins category? No forgeries in the Antique category? Come on.....

As you said, "most people (unless your an imbecile), do not pay for a car before they go to inspect it upon pickup." I feel pretty much the same way about a $2,000 microphone. I might not go pick it up but you better damn well believe I will inspecting it and the seller pretty thoroughly before I send any money, you would be an imbecile not to THAT is my point.

Oh, I've been a member on Ebay since 1998, so I got ya on that one by one year. I have 2 negatives.

Which department at Ebay do you work in?

As I said I don't work for Ebay.

Last thing for ya because this thread is pretty moronic... Why if you hate Ebay so much do you go there? Really is there someone standing behind you twisting your arm or threaten your family?

I don't get it.

My WHOLE point on this absurd thread is that the responsibility is yours as it should be! You can throw caution to the wind and get ripped off, you can practice good buying and selling tactics and still get ripped off but the odds are much better in your favor or you can choose to not go to Ebay at all.

The responsibility is yours NOT EBay's.

Have a good one.