As someone who can't compare the hardware to the multitude of software he has hands on experience of, but has followed these kind of threads pretty assiduously and noticed a distinct lack of correlation between opinions on either HW between HW users or SW between SW users, hazard the possibility that this means that opinions between users of HW and SF can hardly be used as gospel either, and are, again, down to you 'like what you like' on the whole? Apologies for the longest sentence ever. Having said that, things are likely to get better, but things right now are pretty much as good in your head as your head is likely to get without dropping a whole load of prejudice on either side. Just a thought. I've used hardware since I was a kid in terms of synths and Fx generally and I'm sooo happy with VI now. Just another repetition of an oft pronounced thought