Originally Posted by dasnub
Hey, I appreciate the effort. I just found it very difficult to follow. Not in format- the forum thing is easy enough. But your descriptions are... cryptic. For example:
"4.3k-6.5k Bottom of fizz. Add Beefeaters for gin fizz. Guzzle many glasses."
Very early in that thread I describe the INESCAPABLE FUTILITY of being able to objectively quantify, much less exactingly address, ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY in a written missive... in the absence of the provision of CONTEXT, a circumstance which only HEARING could provide.
I think I reference both the Grand Canyon and the Eisenhower White House in some of those ruminations.
All these type of statements would serve as examples of my attempts at an obliquely humorous celebration of those aforementioned concepts.
I also purposely attempted to LIMIT the scope and scale of my hypothetical tools for the sake of FOCUS in light of the massive ADDITIONAL window of variability which would enter the subject discussion if I DIDN'T.
Hilariously. I have seen things posted in a myriad of places, with real paragons of reading comprehension saying wholly fallacious things like: "Slipperman says ONLY USE A SINGLE SM57 and a DISTRESSOR".
The internot is full of persons, many of them utter fukwits... who believe that there is a "diamond bullet" in recording electric guitars. And that if they just read ONE MORE POST on what Andy Sneap does they will be able to get on with their burgeoning professional volleyball career.
Even a self-described cogent cactus like me starts to figure out a few things after a while:
1.) Some people simply don't UNDERSTAND what I'm talking about, and probably never will. I can't help them.
2.) Some people UNDERSTAND perfectly, and don't like the presentation or find it particularly funny.
But VERY, VERY few people have had occasion to DIRECTLY challenge ANY of the basic concepts I put forth in that lighthearted collection of thoughts in any SPECIFIC fashion.
Ten years later.
It has actually been a strange disappointment to me in a muted sense.
See... The only time I seem to learn ANYTHING is when I'm wrong.
And I'm ALL ABOUT the learning. That's the truth.
I'm not a "Threatened AE". I don't give a f*ck. I just wanna make better records.
You, Jim, God... anybody...
Give me a LINE ITEM LAUNDRY LIST of where I'm talking out of my ass... even though I'm simply talking both off the record and off the top of my head ten years ago"
and we'll see if I, and everybody ELSE... can learn something from YOU on the internot.
'Cause from a PRACTICAL
standpoint. There are ALREADY a SLEW of hilariously BAD posts in this thread
which CLEANLY DEMONSTRATE that people are wildly grab-assing around in the f*cking dark, still trying shit that people who ACTUALLY DO THIS day in and day out ABANDONED as untenable, or just largely IMPRACTICAL a zillion years ago.
Like LAYERING guitars recorded in M/S.
Which is an ABSOLUTE SHITSHOW/CLUSTERF*CK on ANYTHING that is high-gain/high note density.
Come on. Edjamacate me. Tell me HOW you do this and make it work in mix.
'Cause I'm a hardcore M/S aficionado from waaayyyy the f*ck back. I've made hundreds of released records using M/S micing techniques of all sorts. On a bewildering array of instruments. Even impossibly dumb ones... like an dirt bass through a Leslie. Absolutely defined the sound of the song. Go figure. I ALSO got a whole bunch of hotshot M/S kit to work wit as well... Both in the analog and digital domain. Go ahead clobber me with science. I'm living for it.
See.., MAYBE, MAYBE... somma these guys ACTUALLY ARE the new geniuses who will lead a new generation of distorted guitar recordists.
I'm totally into that.
When their amazing sounding records start shaping a new guitar sound that sets everybody on their ears...
We can all say: We knew them when.
Tell me EXACTLY what yer doing to get these recordings completed... AND... Direct me to where I can get a listen to the magnificent sounding end product.
I'll be WILDLY hanging M/S TOMORROW(literally) like a f*cking madman if I think you're onto something.
Once again... NOBODY TAKE THE HEAT
(besides Jim Williams who single LDC theory is for the f*cking birds if yer layering highly gain saturated guitars...
and if he'd ever done a modern heavy guitar record in his storied career he'd KNOW that).
This is all in good fun/humor... AND OFFERED WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS.
We don't gotta use EXPENSIVE GEAR.
Just as a COMPLETELY SILLY ILLUSTRATION of the point: I once cut the lead vocal on EVERY SONG on a record that later went RIAA Gold using an RE20 into a Symetrix SX202(mighta been a DBX 760x) mic pre into 2 sides of a Behringer MDX-2000 in series.
This on a record in which the style of the music and exact nature of the band would cause one to declare "The Vocal is EVERYTHING", and I think most folks would have used a Telefunken U47 into a Martech MSS-10 into a GML 8900.
All of which were 25 feet away in the mic locker.
Funny thing is:
I musta got 30 records off the back of that record.
So why risk a dumbass stunt like that?
Whim as a catalyst of both fun and ambition.
It's as huge as any other consideration in record production.
I engineered the above idiot-stunt as a demonstration of the power of whim/fun to a young record producer who ended up with both a shiny plaque with his name on it... and a snotty LA manager who needed a good shoe in the nutz, for our efforts.
The first item he kept.
The second one ended up in the trash.