Quote: Originally Posted by pendejo I'm in complete agreement. After acquiring a whole bunch of analog gear to get away from the inspiration killer that I feel the typical DAW is, Propellerhead's Record is a breath of fresh air. It makes me excited about digital again. The streamlined workflow in Record is phenomenal and it sounds great.
Well I paid the $1 and got my Reason 6 upgrade today. Poor sumbiches at Propellerhead. They shot themselves in the foot LOL. I watched on TV last night on NJ that BOA is starting to charge $5 per debit card transaction. So I watched as the $1 was transferred from my bank account through Deutschbank to the Propellerhead account to release my new serial number. That $1 USD purchase just cost Propllerhead around $5-$10 USD in international processing fees LOL. Multiply that times HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS customers and they've just screwed themselves royally. Hey folks you should have stuck to your agreement for a free upgrade for all of those like me who bought the Reason 5/Record 1.0 Duo, and instead you charged me a dollar. So now you've pissed all your profits down the toilet. Having said that ....
Should one upgrade? Well ? It rocks! Better than before. And the new apps they've added are amazing. Replaces a plethora of very high end VSTs without having to use a VST.
I have always said that their sound engine is great. I mean SSL great folks. I work with real SSL and the mixer does better than UAD virtual mixers and better than Waves API and SSL plugins. Less overhead and a great mixing desk.
I'm an old school engineer and I like to mix on analog consoles. API, SSL, Midas, A&H GL4800s you name it. But this thing is really very nice. I usually receive a mix from somebody who squashed it death in dvvchetools and the first thing I do is unclick all the plugs, then run it through 24 channels of API or SSL into a RADAR @24/96 then remix it on an analog mixer adding outboard compression and EQ sparingly. The nice things about faders/sliders is that you are using manual compression by adjusting volume and EQ on each track and sub-groups to the main 2 bus and this is something this clueless generation will never understand who were weaned on digital DAW and get their jollies off playing mad scientist tweaking knobs on a mathematical algorithm called a plugin. Doesn't matter if its VST, RTAS, TDM or whatever comes next. They're all substandard to analog/superanalogue, and the dimension of the sound in terms of depth, height, and width are never the same as analog. Actually I don't give a shit who says what and who did critical comparison studies and who sells CD shootouts and what Chinese made crap they’re pimping at NAMM any moment of the day. I know what I know and what my body feels and what my ears hear and what my workflow is that’s enough for me.
Now then, there are some flaws and some plusses in REASON 6 that everyone should be aware of before spending that hard earned dollar bill. So pay attention. This might be a test question. ***
1. REASON 6 now is REASON 5 and RECORD 1.5.1 bundled up into a new engine with all the new interfaces. This is a plus.
2. The minus is that once REASON 6 is authorized on the Propellerhead dongle, RECORD 5 is deauthorized on your DAW but not your dongleoid. Weird huh? But wait, there’s more …. So you cannot start Record anymore without it being authorized, and when you go to the website and look at your authorizations it is still all there authorized with Reason 5 and Record 1.5.1 on the dongleoid, but you cannot get it authorized on your DAW. What does that mean? It means that you are forced to work exclusively in REASON 6 from now. Not a bad thing though. So when you open an old RECORD file, open it in in REASON 6 and it opens in Record but with the upgraded Record window in Reason 6. It is downward compatible but not upward.
BAD: Another flaw is that Line 6 POD2 that is authorized on my DAWs cannot be accessed because although Propellerhead and Line6 are buddies now, REASON 6 CANNOT read a Line 6 tone file that has dual engine. But it can read all the single engine tone files in Gearbox. So just create a FAVORITES menu entry for the Line 6 Gearbox folder in REASON and you can access all your gearbox tone files from there.
BAD: Another flaw is that you cannot export a song as a multiple midi file. WTF over? Its insane. They need to fix that ASAP. You cannot export an audio file at any bit depth in multiple files either. Only a 2 BUS WAV or AIFF file export.
BAD: They added the same crappola experimental audio WASWFI gobbleygook whatever driver that SONAR is using now. Don't even bother with it. It doesn't work in SONAR and it sure as heck doesn't work in REASON 6
GOOD: Good news? I have both licensed REAPER 32 and REAPER 64. Make sure when you install these up check the REAROUTE option so that driver will load when you need it. What does this mean? It means that when you compose in REASON 6 and after mixing on REASON 6's very lovely virtual mixer and want to export to REAPER x32 or x64 to add whatever VSTs it is seamless.
a. Set the REASON 6 preferences audio driver to x64 ReaRoute ASIO driver. This driver works both for Reaper x32 and x64.
b. Set the Reaper preferences audio driver to ASIO4ALL. Download that if you don’t have it.
c. Open your REASON 6 song and mix it and be done with it in REASON 6.
d. Create a new track in REAPER. Select FX. Select Rewire. Once that window opens select either [MIDI IN, AUDIO OUT, or MIDI OUT] If you are streaming the audio obviously select the middle menu box for [Audio].
e. Set Reaper to 00:00. Select the track to record arm. Select Stereo [Rearoute CH 1 CH 2].
f. Press 'Play' on Reason this automatically starts the Reaper transport.
g. Press 'Red DOT' on main transport bar in reaper and reaper recording begins.
h. End of song -- Close Reason 6. Uncheck Rewire on the Channel FX in Reaper. Then play the file back in Reaper and VST it to death until your face turns blue.
BAD: The bad news? you can only stream the Master bus from REASON 6 and not individual files. That really SUCKS. I like to remix in NI KOMPLETE 7 and use Addictive Drums. God knows I’ve spent enough money on all that crap, I’d like to use it and thanks PRopellerhead ya mullets for NOT making my life too easy!
GOOD: WIN7 x64 totally compatible.
So in summary you cannot export a file as a multi midi file, or individual tracks of audio either. But you can do that in Band in a Box, but PG Music doesn’t have the sound engine library tools built in that REASON 6 does. Oh well ....
Is it worth it? For a dollar? You kidding me? Go figure -
Final Note. In your Reaper preferences set your sound engine to 32 bits instead of 24. Comes up to par with Nuendo almost. IMHO nobody's DAW sound engine even approaches Nuendo but that's all the niceness I have to say for Steinberg otherwise they're a PITA company to associate with in any capacity. Can’t compare any of this to dvvchetools. I don’t use any of that industry standard garbage.
Happy $1 spending –
Cheers – Class dismissed
~skygod~