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Originally Posted by Mitch Lowen I'm finally starting to track sounds and then mixing itb.
Problem is that I'll have to take out the main outs of the mixer that go into the amplifier to put them into the soundcard with the problem that I won't be able to hear what I'm tracking (since there's no connection to the amp, to which the monitors are connected).
So I saw my old Tascam DA30MKII DAT machine and thought:
What if I..
Connect the XLR outs of the mixer into the XLR ins of the DAT
Connect the RCA outs to the Jack ins of the AMP
Connect the S/PDIF out to the S/PDIF in of the card
That way I could listen to the music AND track digitally from the mixer into the DAT and then into the card ) All I had to do is always have the DAT on record.
I DID THIS LAST NIGHT!!!!
Well I tried it last night. There's a problem (duh).
I use a Pentium III 667 Mhz PC with Logic Audio Gold 4.1.1.
TRACKING DIGITALLY -> DAT S/PDIF OUT in S/PDIF CARD IN:
1) when tracking the message 'Error - Conflict trying to sync Midi and Audio. Problem with 48000. Check external device'
2) when playing back when Logic's still on digital it plays it accurate up until the last part of what I tracked.. then it kind of gets out of rhythm
TRACKING ANALOG -> XLR MIXER OUT in RCA CARD IN
3) playback is 100% accurate
PLAYBACK
4) when playing what was digitally tracked when Logic's on Analog the playback's 30% slower!!!!!!!!!!! (??)
5) when playing what was analog tracked when Logic's on Digital the playback's 30% faster!!!!!!!!!!
Note: the DAT recorder was on F/S 48.
Note: the reason why I don't want to track from mixer -> card is that my mixer only has 2 outs. The main XLR outs. If I have to take them out of the amplifier, I can't hear what I'm tracking or what I tracked until I plugged 'em back in.
QUESTIONS:
1) How come the playback speed of what I digitally tracked is 30% slower when Logic's set on analog input. That don't make NO sense.
2) Same for the playback of what was tracked Analog while the PC's set on digital input.
3) It seems that tracking through the DAT recorder at the same level as from mixer to card directly makes things a bit louder and fuller. Could this be because of the headroom of the DAT recorder?
4) Another option is:
XLR MIXER OUT -> DAT XLR IN
DAT RCA OUT -> HEADPHONE PRE-AMP MAIN RCA IN
HEADPHONE PRE-AMP STEREO JACK OUT 1 -> RCA IN SOUNDCARD
HEADPHONE PRE-AMP STEREO JACK OUT 2 -> RCA AMP IN
Would that hurt the soundquality!?
5) The F/S button for 44.1 or 48 -> is that for the OUT or the IN of the DAT? |
Hi Mitch,
By the sounds of it you have a sample rate miss-match , your dat might be set to 48k and Logic might be set to 44.1k .
Your other problem might be that you recorded some tracks(Vocs) at a different sample rate and now are trying to sync to another sample rate entirely.
Check what the sample rate is on any recorded vocs, guitars etc , this should be your base sample rate for everything .
What sort of mixer do you have ?
A bit of advice on tracking , don't be tracking for tracking sake , unless your are doing this with a decent pre amp you could be doing more damage than good . Your best bet for now is too bounce down your tracks and track them that way , you do lose some quality bouncing but a below par mixer could do a bit more damage than this again. Another way of tracking it if your card permits is too digitally(Spdif etc) re-record back into your program , this is better than bouncing but you're left with not hearing the audio again if you only have a Two in/Two out card .
FYI on how to do this , spidif 'out' into spidif 'in' ,arm your recording track and make sure you have NO output selected in Logic for that track., as you will get an audio loop if you do.
Hope this helps.