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HP leads the world in orphaning owners of their many lemon series of laptops. Doesn't matter what the machine is like in the beginning, if it has MB problems you and every one else on god's green earth will be SOL. No, I am not the one guy ragging cause I had a problem. I have had to abandon two laptops for my college student daughter because even when HP replaced MBs - at customer expense - they still kept overheating and frying all the other components. Never again. Google the 9000 series, google the 2000 series. It's not that they had problems, it's the company's attitude toward the problems and the people that had them that's despicable.
Meanwhile, the Thinkpads keep on ticking. Can't comment on the last couple of years quality, but I'd rather have a 2-3 year old Thinkpad than anything else on the market today - and you can get them off corporate leases for $300ish. Maybe they won't handle the biggest productions, but you can definitely get down the road with them. And some of them had TI FW chipsets - anyone remember which ones? I forget. . .
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