Originally Posted by AudioWonderland
I don't know. What is standard anyway? Minimal mic techniques were the "standard" when Bonham and Moon were making those records in the late 60's. Thats how everyone did it at that time. Certainly those guys where great but they were not flawless. There are very few today that capture sounds better even today. Personally I like the sound and depth of as few mics as possible whenever it can be done and I agree its not always possible but its always worth the effort to me
yes I agree that was the standard, and listen to the drum sounds back then. 90% not so good. when you think of great drums sounds from late 60s early 70s what two bands do most
people think of ? what 2 drummers?
I love 3 or 4 mic technique but as I stated you best have a nicely tuned kit, in a superb room with a monster drummer or it simply doesn't sound good
It's not that it can't sound good it's just more of a challenge, but if you can nail it ....... nothing beats the 3 mic technique for natural dynamics and energy
All I'm trying to say is for mortals like me and most drummers I have to deal with you better have a backup plan, the band may not like the results of 3 mics. If they specifically ask for it , is the drummer capable of delivering? chances are he isn't. If you need to sample later on or augment you can't. Ive used 12-13 mics as previously stated and found I only needed 3, but I have used 13 and found out I needed most of them since the drummer sucked and I had to sample the snare due to inconsistent hits and too much hihat bleed.
I find the hardest thing with glyn Johns technique is getting the drummer to hit his cymbals at the right levels where they are not too loud with respect to the drums themselves. Also hihats tend to be too loud. If you watch old footage of Bonzo and Moon, they really layed off the cymbals and hats. They were masters at it. The knew how to control all the different aspects of the kit dynamically. Not a lot of guys can do that. Many drummers I see just go full bore on all drums. Nowadays with a crash and ride cymbal being 1 in the same it seems...... it makes it tougher. If you mic a kit with 10 or so mics you have much greater control over a weak drummer
it's a compromise, sacrifice dynamics for greater control with several mics. Again I love 3 mic technique but I have to realistic I'm not going to let a recording suffer due to a bad drummer. Also I can mic up a kit in 15 minutes with 10+ mics and get great results every time no matter how good or bad the drummer is. For 3 mic technique it could take a while and still no guarantee the drummer is going to deliver when you press record.