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Originally posted by Ruphus
All that you say about fitting components like choice of a singer that should help the song become sort of authentical, or that 007 is not to be taken serious, is right, but what has it to do about the fact that Goldfinger has become accepted as a piece of music by itself?
Would you put garbage in the showcase just because it fitted so properly in the garbage ton?
I relate to it as what it appears to me as a piece of music and as such it is still an inferior quality fake of a genre. It sounds just rediculous, no matter how well it might be considered to fit to the movie. |
If it is being played as a serious piece of music, perhaps it is either an oddity of Germanic culture thing or perhaps you just have an eccentric neighbor. Here in Boston you could probably monitor every radio station for a year and not hear it played even once, unless someone happened to be doing a James Bond theme show. It would almost never be played out of context. No one ever claimed it was Beethoven.
Think of it more like the old Warner Brothers cartoon theme music ("That's All, Folks!") - brilliant in the context of the cartoons, but hardly what most people would listen to out of context.
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Originally posted by Ruphus
What Dylan is concerned, yes he was bound to a unique period and he without question was a great song writing talent. And he is another good example that an imperfect voice can still make an interesting singer. But when it comes to authencity ( right spelled?) as you mentioned, I don´t take him for serious either.
He says it himself that he isn´t interested in politics. Actually he is a rather reactionary type and held weapon industry stockings already in the times when his fans thought him to be a fighter for human rights. For him the revolutionary mood was a fashion on which he had his success. No prob though as his work supported the mentality in those times anyway, - but so far about authentic work.
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OK - it is conceded that as Dylan aged he lost much of his left wing political credentials. Much as many people do... we're not all Noam Chomsky. I'm not sure that invalidates in any way the artistry (or politics) of his youth. While you may be old enough (in your 50's?), the impact of his music on the whole American counterculture and the politics of left wing American youth was undeniable. The SDS Weathermen (left wing enough for you?) got their very name from a Dylan lyric: "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows..."
Like what he is now or not, for at least five years he was the leading voice of the anti-Vietnam War movement in the United States. I think it is fair to say that he had as much effect on radicalizing and mobilizing American youth of that time as any other single cultural force. His music was played and sung at every anti-war demonstration and activity of the time.
But like I said, maybe you had to be there.
Would I have preferred he didn't become a born-again Christian, etc.? Sure!
I also would have preferred that Bobby Fischer didn't turn out to be a raving paranoid rightwing nutcase. Doesn't invalidate the chess accomplishments of his youth though...