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Originally Posted by Tui

Really? When I joined this thread, people were raving how MixBus sounds so much different from other DAWs, and that its summing was much better than that of other DAWs, that MixBus makes everything sound more analogue and 3D.

Did I imagine all that?

I imagine that is a rhetorical question, since that's a matter of public record.

Go, read through the first 50-odd pages of this thread, and you'll find no mention of the fact that MixBus is little more than a plug-in that was fused with Ardour.

Did you know that steel is just iron fused with a few other trace metals? Why would anyone waste their time with "A fused with B"? While we're at it, why would anyone waste their time with Shakti either, who were just "jazz fused with carnatic music"? Or a chocolate milk shake which is just .... several pages ago, I carefully explained to you how you description of MixBus as just "Ardour with a plugin bolted on" was wrong. You've now changed terminology to "fused with", and that's more or less equally misleading.

If it is true that you need to engage the EQs or compressors or saturation effect to benefit from any special "summing", Harrison should state that clearly in their documentation.

interesting perspective. Harrison never made any claims about special summing. That was done by a lot people in this thread who don't really know what is going on. Harrison talked about a mixing engine, and tried, when challenged about what the idea of MixBus was, to talk about the mixing experience, workflow etc. For people who do this stuff for a living, or even for those who don't know what they are doing, having a tool that "just gets it right (or close to it) with minimal effort is no small thing. I asked to you to come up with quotes from Harrison that claim there is "special summing" going on, and so far, you haven't done so. What was claimed is that MixBus works the way that Harrison believes a music mixing console should. You've never even bothered to ask what that means, and you don't seem remotely interested.

the feedback I've seen about MixBus that is the most gratifying doesn't say anything about summing or DSP or anything like that. its from people who say "i can just get my mixes sounding better, faster". that was the goal, and for a substantial majority of MixBus users, that has been the experience.

If you run a signal through MixBus without any processing, nothing extraordinary happens to it, at unity or at different settings. This is a reality, very different from the ideas that were bandied around on this thread, before some people, myself included, did some actual testing.

there are nearly 1700 posts in this thread. there's a lot of noise from people trying to speculate on what MixBus does. if Harrison spent time carefully explaining why each post was wrong, they'd have a lot less time to provide support and implement features for their customers. yes, a lot of what was said by those people was at best misleading and at worst just wrong. i tried to correct some of it as best as i could.

but you've gotten hung up on what some people have said about "summing", confused that with anything ever said by Harrison or myself, and have now wasted even more time demonstrating something that was known all along: MixBus, like any other DAW worth using, can do bits out = bits in.

If I wasn't bored already with this MixBus nonsense, I would perform more tests to determine if engaging EQs, compressors or saturation does anything unusual to the summing. However, my money is on that it doesn't.

ah, summing, summing, summing.