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Old 14th March 2010   #83
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Originally Posted by Ermz View Post
That's certainly the camp I fit into, though I've had that experience with every single one of the hundred odd cab IRs I've tried. I simply find it's impossible to get a good quality professional tone via IRs of the likes of Nickelback's 'All the Right Reasons', Breaking Benjamin's 'Phobia', Killswitch Engage's 'End of Heartache', In Flames' 'Clayman' etc. etc. I've used a lot more EQ than is healthy to get IRs to sit cohesively in the mix, yet they never seem to sound alive unless you hide their flaws via quad tracking, or even more.

Dude..your being completely naive. Thats OK..I think its great to shoot real high.

But there are thousands of Mix engineers with awesome records under their belts that cant get those sounds with the same amps and cabs used in those recordings. I know there are a lot of decent pretend mixes on forums like sneap and HC where guys are desperately searching for the right formula but what I hear is totally amateur. The tell tale sign is their pink noise high end. Total static masquerading as a clean EQ professional boost.

Its almost like I have to laugh at the sheer adorableness of your wishes. Do you think for one moment that those sounds are stock amp sounds? That its their real cabinets that makes them sound good?

Goodness gracious..if it was that everyone would have that sound on their record. Its an incredibly hyped, often multiamp and multicab, severely limited, highs boosted with 10,000 dollar EQ's, compulsively edited, and meticulously blended with golden ears. In short--it aint the cab.

I've been doing this a freakin long time. Long enough to have John Bonham throw me a drumstick off stage and those guitar tones have been unheard of till this century--even though the amps used have been around long before them.

So I ask..why havnt you heard that before if its about the cabinet? Its about EARS and techniques. Its the person listening and turning the dials. They're much better than you. They're better at hearing guitar sounds than 90% of the M. E.s around. Thats how its done. Thats why the same guys are mixing all these records. Impulses dont mean shit in the equation. Its a blended, multilayered sound and anything that an impulse is missing doesnt amount to squat shit. BTW(as someone else suggested Nebula)Nebula, certainly, is not going to get you Randy Staubs guitar mix. What it would do wouldnt even touch .01% of the mojo needed.

I can get incredibly close to to those guitar sounds but only because I've been mixing guitars forever and trust me, your barking up the wrong tree. Its about You-- addressing what your hearing at every stage in the process-- from recording to mixing, hearing all the elements that make up the frequency spectrum in each given track and meshing them into one cohesive sound. Thats the art--not Nebula.

I know a lot of guys, even on GS, say...yeah, just stick a mic in front of a 1x12 and it will sound huge. The assertion being that Nickleback or BB can easily be done by them. Yeah right. That sound is on very few records for a reason--Its real hard to get. Dont dont get down if you havnt nailed it because only a few guys have.
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