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Originally Posted by steelyfan  The Ramsa's are real sleepers. I get confused when people refer to them as "low-end"....... The WRS-4424 was @ $9500.00 in the mid 80's! |
well right that would be almost 19-20k now based on inflation.
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Originally Posted by steelyfan A new Toft ATB 24 channel runs for $6000.oo TODAY..... |
thank the lord for cnc and chinese sweat shops........
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Originally Posted by steelyfan what am I missing here?
steelyfan |
I guess meet it half way. Maybe the ramsa is better than a toft based on the price. But even though something did cost more money in the 80's than something similar in modern times is not a guarantee it is better.
Something like a Toft is probably made all on automated machinery with the exception of the assembly. And even a portion of that I bet is automated. But that is done in a cheap labor country. ICs are a 5th of the cost they were 25 years ago as are many of the parts of similar type and quality, thanks again to advances in automated CAD/CAM... and asian manufacturing. Rasma was Japan too though?
I would hope the rasma is better build quality than a toft but who knows? I'm sure many of the rasma components may have been of higher quality but with (chinese) cheap labor and many component prices arguably less or the same today who knows? Mass produced electronics is one area where the prices often come down. Look at behringer. Think about how inexpensive their products are and they are not all bad. I own a pod and a vamp. I like the vamp better and it is 1/3 the price. They make a nice headphone amp too that I use when the knucklehead metalheads come into record.
I agree you have a point about inflation but with china and the newer cad/cam production/mfg techniques it would be hard to discern really what the real difference in price/cost would be including inflation, with regards to toft vs ramsa.
Lastly I would hope Malcom Toft maybe even using cheaper components is still a better designer than the to guys at ramsa were. He did after all co-design the 80b and a-range consoles among others.
I'm not disagreeing w/ you, but just pointing out a couple observations.... rasma did make decent boards back in the day but an ATB has the advantage of first off designed by Malcom Toft and the also the advantage of (some) modern components that are often less expensive than their 1980s counterparts due to modern factory automation.