[Lrmusic]

Originally Posted by Lrmusic

Her entire discography lol. But that doesn't mean she sounds bad (she sounds better than nearly all autotuned songs that are always perfectly on pitch). And saying we have to be singers in order to discern that someone is singing flat is very ad hominem.

Originally Posted by Rumpel

Are you comparing her vocals to robotically tuned vocals?

Nope, it's merely 1 example, an example that's a very small % of my argument, as I'd consider an opinion that I also have "she sounds better than nearly all singers that sing more on pitch than her" to serve an equal purpose in my argument, (with the words in blue replacing each other)

which is:

"regardless of her tuning I like her voice"

and not

"{anything related to autotune, autotuned vocals} vs. {Alicia Key's vocals}"

Originally Posted by Rumpel

There is definitely a degree of variance allowable within which one is considered to be in tune, and she is well within that margin for the overwhelming majority of her recorded output.

I agree

Originally Posted by Rumpel

Robotic tuning, although currently stylistic, is not natural or necessarily desirable.

Refers to a part of my "argument" (saying that in quotes because I don't actually argue lol) that I've established was not intended to be significant at all.

Originally Posted by Rumpel

Even vibrato involves a regularly timed fluctuation of pitch, which when done correctly is considered desirable to human ears.

I agree

Originally Posted by Rumpel

Setting aside subjective opinions, and working within the realm of professional objectivity, leads me to suspect that some of you may be confusing tonality with tuning.

Not me; her tonal characteristics are what makes her voice so appealing to me. I could careless about her tuning as long as it sounds good, which leads to:

Originally Posted by Rumpel

A dislike of a singers tonal qualities is open to a lot more subjectivity, although it goes without saying that a great many record buyers obviously feel that Alicia Keys has a very pleasing tone, and have no problem at all with her tuning.

Agree!

If you feel like disagreeing anymore, then I'm afraid you'll have misinterpreted me again...