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Jfriah · 2nd December 2009

Wow, that's quite the concern there, Forte. Big topic, many many answers.

Including "it all depends."

Where to even start with that...

Your clients make the decision as to what is used. Mixer and sound supervisor do their best to fight for the best sounding stuff but are sometimes overruled (and sometimes agree) that location sound is better for performance or whatever other factors. DIA editors cut stuff in, ADR editors cut stuff in, mixer gets tracks and uses them unless something isn't working for him/her and goes from there for further finessing/investigating.

BUDGET is always a factor. TIME is always a factor. And, sorry, ears of the mixer and clients (and playback environment) are always a factor. I, too, have heard many things in theatrical releases that could have been so many factors and yet there they are coming from the speakers. Could have slipped through, could have been bad playback calibration for the speakers / the curve.

Sure there are movies that have no location sound; sure there are movies that have no ADR.

YOU may have pushed for ADR but a) the production might have no money in the budget for that, b) the actors might not be available (or alive), c) the director or producer overrules your silly request, d) the ADR you get completely sucks because the actor 'throws it' or is just bad at it or has a cold, e) you see what I'm getting at.

As for your centre-channel concerns--I'm confused. DIA primarily DOES come out the C-channel, as does foley and production fx. Typically you want to put things attributed to the characters out the same speakers their mouths send sounds from. Otherwise...it is an art film. Or a bad mix by people who don't know what they're doing. OR because they're being told to do something by the people paying the bills.

How do we handle issues of matching? We just do... without getting into specifics. It was a pretty general concern/question.

Does any of that help? Wide open / large topic and I'm sure others will chime in here. Maybe.

Really don't know if that helped at all...

It all depends...

Jeff

2nd December 2009	#2
Jfriah Lives for gear Joined: Feb 2009 Location: C,Eh,N,Eh,D,Eh? "Sorry!" Posts: 1,669	Wow, that's quite the concern there, Forte. Big topic, many many answers. Including "it all depends." Where to even start with that... Your clients make the decision as to what is used. Mixer and sound supervisor do their best to fight for the best sounding stuff but are sometimes overruled (and sometimes agree) that location sound is better for performance or whatever other factors. DIA editors cut stuff in, ADR editors cut stuff in, mixer gets tracks and uses them unless something isn't working for him/her and goes from there for further finessing/investigating. BUDGET is always a factor. TIME is always a factor. And, sorry, ears of the mixer and clients (and playback environment) are always a factor. I, too, have heard many things in theatrical releases that could have been so many factors and yet there they are coming from the speakers. Could have slipped through, could have been bad playback calibration for the speakers / the curve. Sure there are movies that have no location sound; sure there are movies that have no ADR. YOU may have pushed for ADR but a) the production might have no money in the budget for that, b) the actors might not be available (or alive), c) the director or producer overrules your silly request, d) the ADR you get completely sucks because the actor 'throws it' or is just bad at it or has a cold, e) you see what I'm getting at. As for your centre-channel concerns--I'm confused. DIA primarily DOES come out the C-channel, as does foley and production fx. Typically you want to put things attributed to the characters out the same speakers their mouths send sounds from. Otherwise...it is an art film. Or a bad mix by people who don't know what they're doing. OR because they're being told to do something by the people paying the bills. How do we handle issues of matching? We just do... without getting into specifics. It was a pretty general concern/question. Does any of that help? Wide open / large topic and I'm sure others will chime in here. Maybe. Really don't know if that helped at all... It all depends... Jeff __________________ "I'm not saving lives, I'm helping to put something up there on a screen for people to glance at between text messages." - Me. Partials: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0358864/