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Old 27th November 2009   #75
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Originally Posted by narcoman View Post
Right first things first before a have a go at you. I am going to assume you think I really said that PT courses are 3 days. I did not. I specifically countered another claim about spending three days with him and learning etc. Read what I said again ..... or if you can't be bothered to read a whole thread then don't respond.

Secondly - My logic says WHAT? My logic said SPECIFICALLY and with no inference in any other meaning - PT training is not worth the outlay in this money starved industry. You do not get back what you put in. You will learn the same by just sicking at it yourself for a year and spending the money on something else. You cannot make a deduction of what I think of skilled training based on what I think of PT TRAINING IN PARTICULAR.


Now with that gone - I'm gonna dig in....

I am TOTALLY against music tech colleges and other schemes to rip off the unwary - in fact I'm part of a body of company owners in the industry who are lobbying UK government for caps on places - I'm pro education but not in areas that just do not need it..... you DO need training to do wiring of an SSL, for example, but I would be against a college course that opened up 500 places {with government support} and churned out 500 qualified SSL tech personnel a year. What would be the point?

I DO see the PT courses as better than, for example, the numerous spurious music tech colleges {the SAE's of this world with their borderline practices}. However it is still a mechanism to strip individuals of their cash unless it's something that the individual really wants to do ..... It's still unnecessary because you can teach yourself PT by reading the manual. There are no difficult concepts. No protocols that you must follow. No complex understandings of the math required. It's a piss simple recording system. That's all I've said. ALL the way through - I haven't said "you're a dick if you do this".... nothing. All I've given is a warning from an employer - a PT cert will give you no sway in a company like mine. It won't go against you - I won;t even acknowledge it's worth. I'll just ignore it. On that basis it's a lot of money for no advantage with me and many like me..... and since I know all the other agencies in this country and am on first name and drinking terms with pretty much all of them {as well as most of the worldwide competition actually} - I KNOW most feel the same. My contribution to this thread has been to remind those with ideas that doing such a course gives them anything in the way of advantages to be mindful of what they are doing. Have a REALLY good reason for doing it because it won't get you a job {not that there are any}.


More analogue than digital? No - about the same. I got my first Protools rig 15 years ago. Grew the company from that. Early adopter of digital in general as far as premium media product is concerned.

I've got 4000 posts? What relevance is this to anything? I like to help people mostly... I had a GREAT guy come in this week. 25 years old, no real CV. Didn't know anything. But he's been tenacious and really wants to work.... hassled me for six months for an informal chat. I've told him to learn PT and Nuendo to work with me. He can't afford a rig - so I've bought him an Mbox and loaned him a Mac for three months. If he can get up to speed with a few trash projects I've given him {in other words ones we've already completed but I want to see if he's got the right stuff} - I'll buy him the Mac. Maybe I should have told him to piss off.

..... I also like to display my displeasure with charlatans where I see fit and decry those who I know to be spreading rubbish.

So

you're contribution to this thread is:

1) calling me a joke - I mean? a joke? Really?
2) calling my professional credentials into question.... pretty silly. There are at least six people on here who know EXACLY what I do.
3) being rude....
4) failing to understand what I said - in other words imposing YOUR vision on my opinion.....
5) called me "inept in using PT".... I mean come on!!! What's that? A PT duel challenge......... I'll wipe the floor with ya kiddo.....

All I can assume is that you've done the courses and you're offended that someone in the biz is telling you it's not a shortcut to a career..... You don't want to believe that I could possibly be such a guy and therefore I must be a raving loon. Or some other such insult.


And people wonder why I remain anonymous. Maybe I should give up this forum.... it's people like YOU that make me question helping others at all.....
wow. way to totally go ballistic.

but needless to say i read your post carefully and see your point.
i shouldnt have been so hard on ya, but those posts you made got me mad.
sorry dude.


your right, education is not a shortcut to a carreer, its what you do w the education if your smart enough to take advantage.and your justified in railing against "degree mills".


on the same token, i learned more in my two years working under a genius at a pretty big studio than i ever did w my nose in a book.

but if i didnt have the education i did, i wouldve been left in the dust.

and yes, i did think you said 3 days, either way, ill bury the hachet.

i dont take anything you said personally.
but i dont think you'd "mop the floor with me."
i got my protools rig more than 5 years ago, and have been fortunate tto have found little trouble finding work because i have a good attitude and provide excellant service .
truthfully, i think youd be pleasantly surprised by me.

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