[narcoman]

Originally Posted by sleeper1400

3 days!?!?

ive read your posts and tried to be understanding of your views, even when others attacked you.
but your a joke.
id think someone with 3 degrees would think a bit more before posting.
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about in any capacity in regards to this subject.
there are NO 3 day courses. and if there were, they'd be very cheap.

my classes totalled 4 months
101
201
210
310

each one was very indepth and if you didnt take notes or pay attention, you failed.period.

using your logic people should just "learn to wire and install an SSL with 32 inputs!!!!
what you cant do it!??! your not trying hard enough!

come on.
the premise is absurd.
why have classes of any kind if your gonna b like that?

its not about the certificate at all.
its about the knowledge of the software,(of which you seem completely inept of)

once again, me being the liberal compassionate guy i am.....
you must be a pretty seasoned engineer with more analog experience than digital.
and you got 4000 posts, which is definitely one of the highest ive seen on these forums.

so, in a true struggle to understand your logic....you must just be tired of 18 yr olds coming in wasting your time with their 'protools certs'
when they dont know how to replace a stick of ram, and have never givin a 2nd thought to understanding how a patchbay works.

thats the only thing i can fathom as to why you would be acting like such a ****** on this subject.

Right first things first before a have a go at you. I am going to assume you think I really said that PT courses are 3 days. I did not. I specifically countered another claim about spending three days with him and learning etc. Read what I said again ..... or if you can't be bothered to read a whole thread then don't respond. In fact - READ THE QUOTE I WAS RESPONDING TO. Are are you so quick off the mark as to like to start a ruckus?

In fact I'll help - READ THE QUOTE I REPLIED TO

I never, not ONCE said the PT courses where three days long. Not a single utterance of it - Travis K said

"So while you may think a "cetificate" for pro tools is Bullshit, there is nothing Bullshit about getting better at using your tools. Sure you can look up the answers your self, but it is nice to go and learn from a qualified teacher for three days of focused training.

thanks
travis K"

To which I replied that you couldn't learn all about PT in three days as he was implying. He clearly agreed because he changed his post. But go back and read the fekkin reply again and think before jumping in with your size 5s having half read something.


Secondly - My logic says WHAT? My logic said SPECIFICALLY and with no inference in any other meaning - PT training is not worth the outlay in this money starved industry. You do not get back what you put in. You will learn the same by just sicking at it yourself for a year and spending the money on something else. You cannot make a deduction of what I think of skilled training based on what I think of PT TRAINING IN PARTICULAR.


Now with that gone - I'm gonna dig in....

I am TOTALLY against music tech colleges and other schemes to rip off the unwary - in fact I'm part of a body of company owners in the industry who are lobbying UK government for caps on places - I'm pro education but not in areas that just do not need it..... you DO need training to do wiring of an SSL, for example, but I would be against a college course that opened up 500 places {with government support} and churned out 500 qualified SSL tech personnel a year. What would be the point?

I DO see the PT courses as better than, for example, the numerous spurious music tech colleges {the SAE's of this world with their borderline practices}. However it is still a mechanism to strip individuals of their cash unless it's something that the individual really wants to do ..... It's still unnecessary because you can teach yourself PT by reading the manual. There are no difficult concepts.... i KNOW the courses basically contain a long list of extremely simple things - okay there are a few hundred of them but each operation takes the mental agility of a ten year old to grasp. That's how good a job Digidesign did when they put it together...... No protocols that you must follow. No complex understandings of the math required. Add an ICON? No problem - I taught myself in about three days ..... the rest of my crew in a similar amount...... It's a brilliantly piss simple recording system. That's all I've said. ALL the way through - I haven't said "you're a dick if you do this".... nothing. All I've given is a warning from an employer - a PT cert will give you no sway in a company like mine. It won't go against you - I won;t even acknowledge it's worth. I'll just ignore it. On that basis it's a lot of money for no advantage with me and many like me..... and since I know all the other agencies in this country and am on first name and drinking terms with pretty much all of them {as well as most of the worldwide competition actually} - I KNOW most feel the same. My contribution to this thread has been to remind those with ideas that doing such a course gives them anything in the way of advantages to be mindful of what they are doing. Have a REALLY good reason for doing it because it won't get you a job {not that there are any}.


More analogue than digital? No - about the same. I got my first Protools rig 15 years ago. Grew the company from that. Early adopter of digital in general as far as premium media product is concerned.

I've got 4000 posts? What relevance is this to anything? I like to help people mostly... I had a GREAT guy come in this week. 25 years old, no real CV. Didn't know anything. But he's been tenacious and really wants to work.... hassled me for six months for an informal chat. I've told him to learn PT and Nuendo to work with me. He can't afford a rig - so I've bought him an Mbox and loaned him a Mac for three months. If he can get up to speed with a few trash projects I've given him {in other words ones we've already completed but I want to see if he's got the right stuff} - I'll buy him the Mac. Maybe I should have told him to piss off.

..... I also like to display my displeasure with charlatans where I see fit and decry those who I know to be spreading rubbish.... especially the several "self appointed experts" I see flying around who've not worked on a professional high level product in their life.

So

you're contribution to this thread is:

1) calling me a joke - I mean? a joke? Really?
2) calling my professional credentials into question.... pretty silly. There are at least six people on here who know EXACLY what I do.
3) being rude and calling me names. THAT'll get you a long way in life.
4) failing to understand what I said - in other words imposing YOUR vision on my opinion.....
5) called me "inept in using PT".... I mean come on!!! What's that? A PT duel challenge......... I'll wipe the floor with ya kiddo..... I've made a LOT of money just using PT alone..... you wanted drums editing in the nineties? You came to me.

All I can assume is that you've done the courses and you're offended that someone in the biz is telling you it's not a shortcut to a career..... You don't want to believe that I could possibly be such a guy and therefore I must be a raving loon. Or some other such insult. Or could not possibly work in the industry etc etc.....


And people wonder why I remain anonymous {I would say PM me and find out which company I own but I've a feeling you'd tell all and sundry and make it impossible for me to relax and chat here with like minded types}... Maybe I should give up this forum....