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Noise Commander · 19th October 2009

Hi!

Just listened to paramore.

Although it is obvious that the producers knew how to put the spot light on the right things, the snare has punch, the typical standard 8th note guitars fit the genre and have a nice tonal balane, nice vocal sound (although she sound like a indie bi**which I don't like lol)
I still think that for those super modern hit productions you have to IGNORE sound asthetics in a way. Have to do things that you usually would describe as ugly.
Not warm enough, to edgy, everything has an emphasis between 2-4 kHz.

That's a general problem of rock music. To get it loud you have to be a loudness *****.
And I think the negative side effects are worse in rock music than in hip hop. Which is kind of unfair, as most people nowadays tend to blame rock music for this.

I'm writing songs for major publishers, but I'll never be a top producer or mixer, as I just do not allow myself to destroy the tonal balance and the dynamics in the same way those top producers do.
They seem to have no problem with it. Of course they know how to do it with as little side effects as possible but it still is unbearable in my opinion. My instinct and my ears tell me much to fast to stop eqing, compressing and limiting for te sake of modern rock n' roll loudness. It's "low-quality-strident-hurting-I-do-not-have-ears" loundness for me!

They should produce consumer cd players, radio devices, amplifiers that jump from 0 % gain of the volume knob to 10 % right to 50 % ! So that only the not so squashed mixes have an accectable listening loudness

Maybe they stop to **** up our beloved music then...
Or they could define a minimum crest factor by law! (Minimum of 10 dB)

Or there could be a law that labels are NOT allowed to influence the recording process of the artist and the producers.

Thanks for the memories by fall out boy has a bridge with only drums and vocals, the drums have punch , when the chorus starts again, you only hear a little snare click lol

Very bad sound! Although you can still hear the professionality of the involved sound engineers.

19th October 2009	#1
Noise Commander Gear addict Joined: Jan 2009 Location: Munich Posts: 341 Thread Starter	hit productions aren't good productions Hi! Just listened to paramore. Although it is obvious that the producers knew how to put the spot light on the right things, the snare has punch, the typical standard 8th note guitars fit the genre and have a nice tonal balane, nice vocal sound (although she sound like a indie biwhich I don't like lol) I still think that for those super modern hit productions you have to IGNORE sound asthetics in a way. Have to do things that you usually would describe as ugly. Not warm enough, to edgy, everything has an emphasis between 2-4 kHz. That's a general problem of rock music. To get it loud you have to be a loudness *. And I think the negative side effects are worse in rock music than in hip hop. Which is kind of unfair, as most people nowadays tend to blame rock music for this. I'm writing songs for major publishers, but I'll never be a top producer or mixer, as I just do not allow myself to destroy the tonal balance and the dynamics in the same way those top producers do. They seem to have no problem with it. Of course they know how to do it with as little side effects as possible but it still is unbearable in my opinion. My instinct and my ears tell me much to fast to stop eqing, compressing and limiting for te sake of modern rock n' roll loudness. It's "low-quality-strident-hurting-I-do-not-have-ears" loundness for me! They should produce consumer cd players, radio devices, amplifiers that jump from 0 % gain of the volume knob to 10 % right to 50 % ! So that only the not so squashed mixes have an accectable listening loudness Maybe they stop to ** up our beloved music then... Or they could define a minimum crest factor by law! (Minimum of 10 dB) Or there could be a law that labels are NOT allowed to influence the recording process of the artist and the producers. Thanks for the memories by fall out boy has a bridge with only drums and vocals, the drums have punch , when the chorus starts again, you only hear a little snare click lol Very bad sound! Although you can still hear the professionality of the involved sound engineers.