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Originally Posted by blesscurse

The SFTD solo is pure Keith Richard. For antecendents,
check out the biting, penetrating guitar tone and bends on the song "The
Lantern" off Satanic Majesties. Check out other Beggars stuff like the lead tone/technique in the outro of "Stray Cat Blues." The off-the-cuff Chuck Berryish but bent lead guitar inserts on "Amanda Jones" (especially the last verse) on Between
the Buttons. There's a logic and a development that leads from the more Chuck Berryish stuff up to his Beggars work and later. And compare stylistically the main
solo in the song "Gimme Shelter." It's almost like a slower version of the
SFTD solo, or at least it has several stylistic congruencies (as one
would expect, since they're both Keith).... I get a sense (my conjecture as
someone who's played electric guitar for a few decades) that the solo on the
Beggars version of SFTD was wrenched out in the moment rather than
labored over and perfected over a lot of time. I'm not sure if anyone, Keith or Page
included, could absolutely precisely duplicate every last bit of its
timing/tone.

A true fan. We share that in common. Yes! I know their material very well as well. Have you ever sat through the 8 CD box set of session outtakes from Satanic and some early BB sessions. I agree the solo was more of the moment but interpreting style is also very subjective. Keith's rhythm guitar work is iconic. His "Berryish" solos are the best. However, his more single noted solos never felt as in command as those of Mick Taylor. Keith's bends, touch and feel are different here.
Just a theory but I never heard Keith play quite like that again. Do you actually think that any of his solos on any of the live recordings of that song even come close? Especially in feel? I've never heard it on live recordings or in concert but "It's Only Rockin Roll" is still right there.
The Stones were looking to replace Brian. Beatles, Stones, Clapton were all friends hangin out together. Clapton recorded with the Beatles "While My Guitar Gently Weeps". Stones RnR Circus had Clapton on git and Keith on Bass for "Yer Blues". It was also rumored the Stones asked Clapton to replace Brian and he of course refused. There is also a recording of "Brown Sugar" that has an alternate solo by Clapton. Perhaps while hangin out Clapton played the SFTD solo with 2 of his fingeres taped up. LOL! Just a theory. It was common place for people (especially names) to sit in and not always get an official credit. You'll notice the credits on BB thanks....friends.

Originally Posted by blesscurse

In the film One Plus One, there is a moment where Keith is playing lead with a tone/style quite close to the actual solo.

Yes! But why no footage of him playing the guitar in SFTD? Only bass.

Originally Posted by blesscurse

The part that The Stones borrowed/stole from Ry Cooder for HTW is a version of a traditional country blues ruff. I've heard versions of it in recordings that pre-date HTW by many years. What makes HTW so special is the snap of the chordal rhythm guitar playing that is pure Keith. By the way, Brian Jones' slide playing (like that on "No Expectations" -- see the Rock'n'Roll Circus film clip of him playing it live) developed prior to the "Memo from Turner" period....

Again, it's in the execution of the part. I seem to remember Cooder having some sour grapes over that relationship. I think it was for not getting writing credits though.
Brian played slide from the git go. "Red Rooster", "Wanna Be Your Man". He was a big Elmore James fan. Brian wasn't even around for HTW though.

Originally Posted by blesscurse

(I started using/stealing Keith's 5-string open tuning and chordal suspensions in 1972, back when Keith was still Keith.... not the cartoon character that he later became.)

That's a good one.

This really should be another thread. This is a Kinks thread. Sorry.