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Originally Posted by BosseBo 
Yeah Pelle Gunnerfeldt who mixed it (the song We Get It On) is... terrible... good. But if you don't like the sound of bands like The Hives, he mixed their albums, then I understand that you don't like what you here. Though this really is a sound that’s more like Imarobot.
And these facts are built on what? The same the theories that said train speed over 30 kilometers per our would kill you. Which was the latest “science” in the early years of the steam train. If you know all this then maybe you know that digital technology and programming is developing really fast. If you know enough about analog and digital technology, then share the science. Telling somebody that their stupid is not the same as proof of knowledge. My guess is that you assume the impossibility without having made a true A/B test. You know a blind test. But arguing with statements like these makes me feel like Don Quixote.
I don't want to drag an innocent man into the discussion but in the Swedish magazine MM George Massenburg said "I always mix "in the box" It's more precise. The science behind digital systems are better. If a mix doesn't sound as good digitally as when you run it thru an analog mixing console then it’s your fault. Your not doing your job good enough.” And later he continues.. “People would rather not hear that a mix made in a computer sound as good or even better. They want a story about some obscure magic analog technology that was used on the mix” Those are his words, and I still want to apologize for bringing his (your if you accidently read this) name into this. But it’s for a purpose. This man invented the parametric EQ in 1972 and has recorded a lot of the record industries album classics. Look up his name on wikipedia or elsewhere and you’ll see a CV that maybe a handful of people come up to. One important thing though, he has never stated that anybody has mad an accurate SSL clone. |
So I guess George will seize building hardware then........
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Never the less my experience of big mixing consoles are limited to a few recordings done with Neve desks and one with a Harrison. I’ve only visited a studio with a big SSL console and at that time didn’t think it sounded “warm enough” (sorry that I must admit that I’ve been a stupid snob. I whip my self to sleep every night in shame) I can’t say if the cloning in Record is accurate, I can’t do the proper A/B test. But if it isn’t then I hope that SSL clones it them self because I’ve never heard filters that good in a computer or in hardware ever.
But this whole argument is not about facts it’s about beliefs. If some of your trying to convince us to buy a SSL or Neve desk for 100.000 bucks or more instead of spending a few hundreds on software. Well sorry can’t afford that. If your afraid that some people will produce hits and be successful. Join the competition instead and practice your own skill. If you don’t believe record sounds good, that’s not a biggie and it might just be your loss. I think people in creative business should be open minded and se new possibilities. Otherwise it will reflect on your own creations. One thing though a skilled engineer will always be a skilled engineer. That’s knowledge no software or hardware can change.
Walk in Peace
/Bosse (who’s stupid enough to think that anybody will read and actually think about what I wrote) |
I never claimed that Record wouldn't sound good. Just stated that it would be physically impossible for a digital eq to do exactly the same as an analog eq. Anyone can claim to have modeled their eq based on a legendary console and their claim will be true. But it remains a "Model". Many have tried it and many sound good but they still dont sound like the hardware they were modeled after. Its all marketing. My post was not in any way trying to demean Record. I haven't tried it and I dont think I ever will. Not that I am a snob or anything but Pro Tools does every little thing that I need done ;-)