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Originally Posted by fleeced  Can't find a EV RM 20 (RE 20 ??) - but will also try and borrow an Audix to try out. |
Sorry, I meant the RE 20.
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How far away from the cab would you go? (I know opinions vary from almost touching the grille to three feet away ... but nearly every stage setup I've seen has the mic close to the cab) -- I'll try it pointed more at the centre of the cone though.
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Try to go with close micing. It's always the easiest solution for the FOH dude. In addition, when space is tight onstage, it's not all too rare that you might accidentally touch your mic stand. With close micing, the position often isn't changed, and if so, you can easily readjust it as it's easy to remember.
I'd only experiment with positions and probably angles, too. Using a bog standard Celestion (such as a Vintage 30, Greenback or even my new 70s/80) and a simple SM57 I always seem to get a pretty much reasonable sound when placing it almost centered (and without any angle). With the EV RE 20 (which I borrowed for a few gigs a while ago, I need to get me one...) I got fantastic results by simply placing it dead center. The soundguy was amazed to, he told me that he 2as just using "fader up", no cuts, boosts or any other fiddlings. That was using a Boogie MkIV and a Celestion Vintage 30 (in a 2x12" Boogie cab clone), playing a variety of styles (musical gala). I was also using the RE 20 when I mixed a gig of a friends band, he was playing a Fender (the Eric Clapton signature thingy with Jensen-alike speakers, name escapes me...) and the sound was just as great. I was comparing his onstage sound and what came through the PA a lot and again, "fader up" worked.
Not sure whether the RE 20 be the best choice for harder stuff, it might not bite enough (I think that should be easy to compensate by adding a very little of high mid EQing, though).
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I’ve never tried a DI - although had been looking at the Radial - is the consensus of opinion that a mic is best if you can? The womanizer sounds interesting - but if I'm trying to get a cab sound into the PA - don't I need a cab modeller/emulator ?
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Exactly. The Womanizer, in your case, would make absolutely no sense as you would have to use it in front of your amp, so the cab simulation would be useless.
A proper DI solution would be something like a Marshall SE-100 (also allowing you to drive the power section a little harder without raising the speaker volume), but the cab simulation isn't all that great. The Palmer models seem to do a little better but the loadbox feature doesn't seem to be as neutral as the Marshall one. You may as well not need the loadbox feature at all and simply go for a plain Palmer speaker emulation (which would sit in your FX loop) or a H&K RedBox - but in that case you'd not only lose the impact of your cabs/mics but also the impact of your power amp section.
There seems to be a new king in town which has gotten a really excellent review in the (german) "Gitarre&Bass" mag, the "Two Notes Torpedo". Here's the website:
http://www.two-notes.com/en/Produits...edo-VB101.html
Quite expensive... and it unfortunately does only seem to work as a load box for its line out (in case I got that right), so you won't be able to drive your amp harder at the same volume in case you'd still be using your cab for personal monitoring.
As said before, I'd rather try to find the best mic and position for your style(s), ideally ending with a solution that would work in a "fader up" scenario. And really, try to borrow an RE 20 for a few tests. Personally, I'm not playing with real amps too much right now (most musicals/theatres these days ask you to bring a D.I. solution, fwiw, my choice for those cases is a Boss GT-10 which I find to be absolutely excellent, beating and POD easily), but I will still get me one this year. For the stuff I do it has been the easiest to set up thing I ever used. Place dead center, FOH pulls fader up, done.
- Sascha