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Originally Posted by ISayItLikeItIs  I have to be able to explain myself though, cause this is ridiculous.
I started posting in this thread cause I wanted to share ideas, talk tech, tell stories and explore our community of music makers just like Ryan West said he liked to do. And I'm sure Ken Lewis and most of us on here do. Correct me if I'm wrong.
However, maybe I didn't explain myself correctly in that post. See post #31.
People came at ME. I didn't attack anyone until I was attacked by others.
I tried to explain myself in post #36. Please read that!
Then people like "coyotekells" and "karloff73" still came at me.
And I still tried to underline my point in post #48 and #63.
My other posts were made to underline a great point made by "Franco" in post #58.
Then again "coyotekells" came at me in post #69 (like in #41). And this lead me to having to get a little back at him in post #72.
The rest of it was just a friendly discussion to me and I didn't mean to offend anyone. Still I was banned for some odd reason.
But you know what? I don't care!
I think I left all of you with a lot of things to think about. Also read the posts by "Franco" and "Joemamma".
I'm out!  |
Dude. Please. I didnt start this thread. But i think i speak for the majority of people here when i say we hear you loud and clear. We understood your point the first, second, third, and tenth time that you said the same thing. I acknowledge that there is validity to your point of view. You've stated it. You havent said anything new. Your pissing everyone off. Just stop. please. I'm asking as a personal favor. stop posting on this thread. Just stop. not even a response to this post. nothing. Please. stop.
Moving On. I think its valid at this point to remind anyone who's joining this thread to go back to post #1 and read my blog (a little self serving i know
but actually, when i re-read it - its been four years since i wrote it ya know - i think its a really valuable read for anyone who's not a master vocal comper, or vocal recordist/producer for that matter.
anyway, I've spent alot of the last couple weeks producing, recording and comping vocals. I was actually recently hired to only do a couple days of vocal production for a rock band along the lines of Taking Back Sunday, Blink 182, Jimmy Eat World, etc..... Long story short, my vocal production (which relied heavily on comping) landed me the rest of the production and mixing on the 7 song EP, and it looks like they want to hire me to produce a full length album for them from scratch starting at the end of the year. Its a really good band, very talented, and i like them alot, but they needed a producer and i think they found one :-) And the difference between their former recordings and now is very noticeable, but thats not all me, they've worked very hard and written great songs too. Its a team effort, most of the best records are.
Now usually, i comp alot less when i do hip hop. This is a hip hop forum, so definitely worth mentioning. But actually as a producer, I'm currently producing an artist (sick rapper and sick musician) named NOTAR who's one of the most skilled MC's I've ever worked with, and i comp alot of his vocals. Not because he cant rip the mic in one take (he can), but because as a matter of course in vocal production, sometimes I'll have him try a couple different moods, different approaches, or even if its just one approach, often his 5th take will have a much different energy than his first take. There will often be moments from every take that are"the best" moments over the other 4 takes. maybe sometimes, he's so in the zone by his 5th take that thats clearly the one to go with, but if i hadnt given him 5 takes, he wouldnt have gotten there. I'm not sitting back and hitting record, i'm guiding him when he needs it, whats working, whats not, not saying more than i need to but guiding him and giving him support and encouragement when needed, pushing him when needed, etc...
The best way to learn how to vocal produce is to jump in and start doing it. As a tracking engineer OFTEN i was at bare minimum co-producing alot of the vocalists i would record (without getting the production credit of course), but that was GREAT practice for me for when i would produce my own artists. And for engineers recording sessions where there is no vocal producer, its a great way to test your chops. try not to piss off the artist while doing it, everybody is different and has a different expectation. Some artists think they are king of the world and even if you KNOW they are, well, less than the best, sometimes they just dont wanna hear guidance or criticism. Use your judgement.
But for alot of beatmakers who really wanna get those chops to become full on "producers" if you cant effectively produce a vocal, your not yet a producer. One of the most important personal things when producing, engineering, etc... is to exude confidence. If the people around you dont feel confident in you, you'll never get anything done and they will question every decision you make. Its your job as producer to put EVERYONE, especially the artist at ease and in a comfort zone. So if you start producing a vocal, a musician, whoever, even if your not confident, even if your scared $hitless, FAKE IT. ACT. its your job to guide the ship. guide it confidently (not arrogantly). Everyone makes mistakes and makes bad decisions. if you make one, change it and move on confidently. If you have ideas, have the vocalist try them, but make sure to try their ideas as well.
OK, time to go have a life for a few minutes. take care ya'll
-Ken Lewis