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Originally Posted by rainy-taxi  Im not sure how I would call it but I dont see that as theft. Theft is nothing more nothing less then taking away someones property without permission and without giving it back.
Those profits where not mine (or ours for that matter) at that time. Unless everything was covered in contracts (and then it might be fraud, not theft), I would even doubt if I made a good case in court (im not from the USA, we have a different court system). It might be fraud (which is illegal), but then again, it wasn't our money. It is what we might have gotten but if the money isn't there in the first place, how can people steal it? The visitors didn't pay so the estimated profits aren't made. We are making a difference in what I should get (estimation) and what I did get. But we never got that money, in fact no-one ever got that money so it's not theft IMHO (but that doesn't say that this action might be illegal).
Sure, it might be illegal. But did I stole the painting? No I didn't. Look! It's still there hanging on the wall…
Like I said before, nothing that I own in this scenario is taken from me, so no theft. But it might be illegal.
And that's the whole point. A lot of people talk about theft of music but there is nothing stolen. What happens might be illegal (that will even depend on the country. Downloading this content is legal in the Netherlands, uploading it isn't. So I can download anything I want as long as I don't share a single bit of it) but there is nothing stolen. Downloaders are always "stealing" where in fact they are copying. |
You know I have to snicker at the fact that people still have these views..
I am a songwriter and have had and have not had over the years, some cuts. I also had a songwriter's demo studio and I am starting another.
The song is one's income or part there of.. done!!! So yes you are stealing someone's income..period.
I mentioned this in another thread.
Suppose here we are all recording these artists and songwriters, and instrumentalists with compositions...and the market said...hey you f-kin engineers only get paid if the song makes money!" Maybe then we might have a different attitude about this. You see. No one is closer to the copyright owners than the engineer and producer that is recording the material right? Here's another...why the hell shouldn't those damn songwriters and the like, all go bye the next million track stand alone digital recorders cause assholes like us don't really care about their music but just want to get paid up front,..yeah ...then where would all the engineers and producers who think it's ok to rape the guys talent with free downloads be...yeah.. ...so how bout you all just wait for the song to make money, it will be a hit and then you can be paid, feed your families..cause that is what 95% of the people out there have to do. No one will take it for free...
I can't believe that people think they have an arguement for this..It just kills me the lack of respect and the internal sodomy that this industry can have.
Sorry to vent..but it is just rediculous to me that we would have supporters of this in our own industry.